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From: Alec Warner <antarus@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Official overlay support
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 09:53:08 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <442407D4.6060503@gentoo.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1143208003.17575.10.camel@cgianelloni.nuvox.net>

Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> On Fri, 2006-03-24 at 08:59 +0000, Stuart Herbert wrote:
> 
>>>It is a Gentoo problem, because Gentoo gets innundated with bogus bug
>>>reports when users screw up their systems in weird ways and don't
>>>realise the cause.
>>
>>Convince me that this is something more than just a power play, and
>>I'll work with you.  But that's the hurdle you'll need to overcome
>>first.
> 
> 
> Perhaps because he's not the only one saying it?
> 
> Really, people, can we leave our personal bullshit out of a technical
> discussion *just once*?
> 
> 
>>Second hurdle is that you need to convince me that you "get" what the
>>overlays are there for.  If you can't, then I can have no confidence
>>that any policies you bring forward are appropriate for the work we're
>>trying to enable.
> 
> 
> They are there to speed development and to allow users to contribute
> more directly.  They should not be readable by the public, otherwise we
> run into the problem of users that don't know what they are doing and
> followed some half-way written guide on the forums using ebuilds from
> these overlays, breaking their systems, and filing bugs.  This is *not*
> acceptable.  I see no problems with allowing users to gain read and even
> write access to overlays, but it must be done with a certain level of
> caution of the main tree, or you'll have a very hard time getting
> support from the developer community at large.
> 

+1

At least in my mind the overlays should be developmental overlays; not
for public comsumption.  This doesn't mean "don't tell anyone about it
so that no one shows up."  It means "interested users will probably
inquire about helping out, etc...and can be granted access fairly easily."

-Alec Warner
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  reply	other threads:[~2006-03-24 15:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 123+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-03-20 23:07 [gentoo-dev] Making the developer community more open Daniel Drake
2006-03-20 23:11 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-03-20 23:44   ` George Prowse
2006-03-20 23:45 ` Bret Towe
2006-03-20 23:58   ` Stefan Schweizer
2006-03-21  0:12     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-03-21  0:05   ` m h
2006-03-21  3:32     ` Alec Warner
2006-03-21  3:40       ` Jason Stubbs
2006-03-21  1:06   ` Mike Auty
2006-03-21 12:09   ` Simon Stelling
2006-03-21 22:32     ` Daniel Goller
2006-03-22 10:49   ` Jonathan Coome
2006-03-22 12:53     ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2006-03-22 13:56       ` Michael Crute
2006-03-22 14:13         ` Thomas Cort
2006-03-22 13:58       ` Thomas Cort
2006-03-22 14:15         ` Dan Meltzer
2006-03-22 14:55           ` Jonathan Coome
2006-03-23 22:20           ` Daniel Goller
2006-03-23 23:34             ` Dan Meltzer
2006-03-24  5:01               ` Daniel Goller
2006-03-21  1:15 ` [gentoo-dev] " George Shapovalov
2006-03-21  1:27   ` George Shapovalov
2006-03-21  0:52     ` m h
2006-03-24 23:08   ` Daniel Drake
2006-03-21  6:05 ` Alin Nastac
2006-03-21 16:27   ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-03-21 12:15 ` Thomas Cort
2006-03-21 17:14 ` Brandon Edens
2006-03-21 19:38   ` Daniel Drake
2006-03-21 22:20   ` Daniel Goller
2006-03-22 14:19 ` Stuart Herbert
2006-03-22 17:03   ` [gentoo-dev] Official overlay support Donnie Berkholz
2006-03-22 17:24     ` Daniel Ostrow
2006-03-22 17:33     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-03-23 22:25       ` Aron Griffis
2006-03-22 17:39     ` Duncan Coutts
2006-03-22 18:42     ` Stefan Schweizer
2006-03-22 22:49       ` Duncan Coutts
2006-03-22 22:03     ` Stuart Herbert
2006-03-23  8:10       ` Danny van Dyk
2006-03-23  9:07         ` Stuart Herbert
2006-03-23 10:09           ` Chris Bainbridge
2006-03-23 10:56             ` Stuart Herbert
2006-03-23 12:47               ` Chris Bainbridge
2006-03-23 13:13                 ` Stuart Herbert
2006-03-23 17:16                 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2006-03-23 18:20                   ` Rumen Yotov
2006-03-23 18:43                     ` Chris Bainbridge
2006-03-23 19:30                       ` Rumen Yotov
2006-03-23 21:47                     ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2006-03-23 14:41             ` [gentoo-dev] " Chris Gianelloni
2006-03-23 17:47               ` Donnie Berkholz
2006-03-23 23:34               ` Aron Griffis
2006-03-23  9:28       ` Luis Medinas
2006-03-23 10:11         ` Stuart Herbert
2006-03-23  9:36       ` Donnie Berkholz
2006-03-23  9:58         ` Stuart Herbert
2006-03-23 10:22           ` Donnie Berkholz
2006-03-23 11:02             ` Stuart Herbert
2006-03-23 11:07               ` Donnie Berkholz
2006-03-23 11:18                 ` Stuart Herbert
2006-03-23 14:17       ` Chris Gianelloni
2006-03-23 14:41         ` Stuart Herbert
2006-03-23 14:54           ` Eric Edgar
2006-03-23 20:31             ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-03-23 15:31           ` Chris Gianelloni
2006-03-23 15:51             ` Stuart Herbert
2006-03-23 18:15               ` Chris Gianelloni
2006-03-23 18:31                 ` Stefan Schweizer
2006-03-23 18:41                   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-03-23 18:57                     ` Jakub Moc
2006-03-23 19:10                       ` Daniel Ostrow
2006-03-23 19:27                         ` Stefan Schweizer
2006-03-23 19:42                         ` Stuart Herbert
2006-03-24  1:03                       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-03-24  8:59                         ` Stuart Herbert
2006-03-24 13:46                           ` Chris Gianelloni
2006-03-24 14:53                             ` Alec Warner [this message]
2006-03-24 16:19                               ` Stuart Herbert
2006-03-24 16:33                             ` Stuart Herbert
2006-03-24 14:40                           ` Aron Griffis
2006-03-24  9:16                         ` Jakub Moc
2006-03-24 13:49                           ` Chris Gianelloni
2006-03-24 15:37                           ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-03-24 16:14                             ` Stuart Herbert
2006-03-24 16:15                             ` Jakub Moc
2006-03-24 16:29                               ` Andrej Kacian
2006-03-23 18:55                   ` Chris Gianelloni
2006-03-23 19:21                     ` Duncan Coutts
2006-03-23 20:07                       ` Jakub Moc
2006-03-23 20:19                         ` Andres Loeh
2006-03-24  8:52                           ` Stuart Herbert
2006-03-24 11:46                             ` Andres Loeh
2006-03-24 13:55                               ` Chris Gianelloni
2006-03-24 14:12                                 ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-03-24 14:47                                 ` Aron Griffis
2006-03-24 19:18                                   ` Chris Gianelloni
2006-03-25  2:54                                     ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2006-03-25 19:37                                     ` [gentoo-dev] " Paul de Vrieze
2006-03-25 19:46                                       ` Robin H. Johnson
2006-03-24 14:56                                 ` Stuart Herbert
2006-03-24 15:38                                 ` Andres Loeh
2006-03-24 15:58                                 ` Jakub Moc
2006-03-24 14:49                               ` Stuart Herbert
2006-03-24 15:41                                 ` Andres Loeh
2006-03-25 19:41                                   ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-03-25 21:23                                   ` Michael Cummings
2006-03-23 16:06             ` Jeroen Roovers
2006-03-23 16:40             ` Chris Bainbridge
2006-03-23 16:56               ` Martin Ehmsen
2006-03-23 18:25               ` Chris Gianelloni
2006-03-23 18:55                 ` Chris Bainbridge
2006-03-23 19:37                   ` Duncan Coutts
2006-03-23 21:42                   ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2006-03-23 21:49                     ` Donnie Berkholz
2006-03-23 22:01                       ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-03-23 21:53                   ` [gentoo-dev] " Paul de Vrieze
2006-03-23 20:50             ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-03-23 21:32               ` Donnie Berkholz
2006-03-24  8:44                 ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-03-23 15:27         ` Jakub Moc

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