From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1FMaxY-0007WE-9K for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 01:19:24 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.6/8.13.5) with SMTP id k2O1IGN0024859; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 01:18:16 GMT Received: from egr.msu.edu (jeeves.egr.msu.edu [35.9.37.127]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.6/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k2O1Eubl029924 for ; Fri, 24 Mar 2006 01:14:56 GMT Received: from [69.176.143.70] (69-176-143-70.dov.spartan-net.net [69.176.143.70]) (authenticated bits=0) by egr.msu.edu (8.13.6/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k2O1EteZ026906 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 23 Mar 2006 20:14:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <44234815.2040509@gentoo.org> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 20:15:01 -0500 From: Alec Warner Organization: Gentoo User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20050806) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Sandboxes References: <44233322.2040801@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.90.2.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 53d33b82-939d-4bcb-876e-9364543da476 X-Archives-Hash: a66adc0650302140617af92e32e588d2 Stefan Schweizer wrote: > On 3/24/06, Alec Warner wrote: > >>Thoughts on ideas on this somewhat more focussed idea? ( or at least I >>think it's more focused :P ) > > > IMO motivation b) is not taken into account enough. > > You are missing out a general-user-overlay, where the developer adding > a user to the access list would be responsible for him. Hmmm that is not an intended goal at this time. "User-Contrib" sounds overly too large. The aim is to make the overlay rather small, to allow normal users to contribute to development of packages. > We really need a general user overlay for stuff that is abandoned in > the treee (maintainer-needed@gentoo.org) or stuff that has not even > been added to the tree (maintainer-wanted@gentoo.org). Those are > ebuilds that no developer is interested in, so a general way for users > needs to be present to be able to take care of those in a > policy-based-overlay instead of bugzilla. Also the overlay will be > easier to access and more bug-free as every person who is trusted by > gentoo-devs can just fix bugs that come up without spamming every CC: > on the list as it would be in bugzilla. This generally breaks the rule of "overlays.gentoo.org is not for end users." The support in portage isn't there, the debugging is a nightmare. The point of overlays is to expedite *development* where user A wants to help maintain package B because it's pragmatic for him to do so, but he doesn't want to be a full Gentoo developer. It is not meant to be a "User-Contrib" overlay. I think that should be a seperate ( if related ) project with different semantics. > > Regards, > Stefan > -Alec Warner -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list