From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1REzqR-0007YZ-U6 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 15 Oct 2011 08:43:52 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6C73721C120; Sat, 15 Oct 2011 08:43:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net (mailout-de.gmx.net [213.165.64.23]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9E50421C10D for ; Sat, 15 Oct 2011 08:42:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 15 Oct 2011 08:42:57 -0000 Received: from p5B085C58.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO pc.localnet) [91.8.92.88] by mail.gmx.net (mp011) with SMTP; 15 Oct 2011 10:42:57 +0200 X-Authenticated: #13997268 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+/J3ZjZD2/O3XDXUEi+focAtnH+1jzIt7DZTEsnG delgqSMGT7/kr1 From: Michael Schreckenbauer To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion for getting rid of udev Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 10:42:56 +0200 Message-ID: <4416149.yvcg9DIAd9@pc> User-Agent: KMail/4.7.2 (Linux/2.6.38-gentoo; KDE/4.7.2; x86_64; ; ) In-Reply-To: <20111013180547.4973defa@googlemail.com> References: <20111012044023.GA8203@waltdnes.org> <1318518871.3885.3.camel@TesterBox.tester.ca> <20111013180547.4973defa@googlemail.com> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Archives-Salt: X-Archives-Hash: 1156457eb2a1eb48016a79ed931354c3 Sorry for being completely OT now, will be the only mail on this from m= y=20 side... On Thursday, 13. October 2011 18:05:47 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Thu, 13 Oct 2011 11:14:31 -0400 >=20 > Olivier Cr=EAte wrote: > > On Wed, 2011-10-12 at 18:49 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > > On Wed, 12 Oct 2011 23:00:23 +0530 > > >=20 > > > Nirbheek Chauhan wrote: > > > > Then please continue with udev in package.mask and kindly stop > > > > trying to impose your workflow on the rest of the world. > > >=20 > > > Isn't the point here that the desktop / GNOME OS guys are trying = to > > > impose their deep integration, tight coupling workflow upon the > > > rest of the world? > >=20 > > We're imposing our deep integration because it's the only way to ma= ke > > a compelling platform that "just works", forcing users to tell the > > computer something the computer already knows is just plain lazy an= d > > stupid. >=20 > The problem with a platform that "just works" is that when it doesn't= > work, no-one knows how to fix it. That's what's happened here: the de= ep > integration doesn't work in the common case that /usr is on its own > filesystem, but because of all the excessive coupling you're unable t= o > fix it and so are trying to pass the blame elsewhere. >=20 > The first step in fixing it is to decouple all of the horrible mess > that has been making its way into the base system over the past coupl= e > of years. in what way will exherbo deal wih this mess? Are there any plans? Feel free to mail me privately and/or answer this on the user-ML, I thi= nk some=20 of us are quite interested. Thanks, Michael