From: Michael Schreckenbauer <grimlog@gmx.de>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Suggestion for getting rid of udev
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2011 10:42:56 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4416149.yvcg9DIAd9@pc> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20111013180547.4973defa@googlemail.com>
Sorry for being completely OT now, will be the only mail on this from my
side...
On Thursday, 13. October 2011 18:05:47 Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Oct 2011 11:14:31 -0400
>
> Olivier Crête <tester@gentoo.org> wrote:
> > On Wed, 2011-10-12 at 18:49 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> > > On Wed, 12 Oct 2011 23:00:23 +0530
> > >
> > > Nirbheek Chauhan <nirbheek@gentoo.org> wrote:
> > > > Then please continue with udev in package.mask and kindly stop
> > > > trying to impose your workflow on the rest of the world.
> > >
> > > Isn't the point here that the desktop / GNOME OS guys are trying to
> > > impose their deep integration, tight coupling workflow upon the
> > > rest of the world?
> >
> > We're imposing our deep integration because it's the only way to make
> > a compelling platform that "just works", forcing users to tell the
> > computer something the computer already knows is just plain lazy and
> > stupid.
>
> The problem with a platform that "just works" is that when it doesn't
> work, no-one knows how to fix it. That's what's happened here: the deep
> integration doesn't work in the common case that /usr is on its own
> filesystem, but because of all the excessive coupling you're unable to
> fix it and so are trying to pass the blame elsewhere.
>
> The first step in fixing it is to decouple all of the horrible mess
> that has been making its way into the base system over the past couple
> of years.
in what way will exherbo deal wih this mess? Are there any plans?
Feel free to mail me privately and/or answer this on the user-ML, I think some
of us are quite interested.
Thanks,
Michael
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-10-15 8:43 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-10-12 4:40 [gentoo-dev] Suggestion for getting rid of udev Walter Dnes
2011-10-12 5:05 ` Zac Medico
2011-10-12 13:10 ` Walter Dnes
2011-10-12 5:32 ` Nathan Phillip Brink
2011-10-12 13:09 ` Walter Dnes
2011-10-12 23:37 ` Nathan Phillip Brink
2011-10-12 7:05 ` Michał Górny
2011-10-12 13:09 ` Walter Dnes
2011-10-12 16:28 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-10-12 17:25 ` Michał Górny
2011-10-12 17:30 ` Nirbheek Chauhan
2011-10-12 17:49 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2011-10-12 17:56 ` Rich Freeman
2011-10-13 15:14 ` Olivier Crête
2011-10-13 15:28 ` Rich Freeman
2011-10-13 16:30 ` Arun Raghavan
2011-10-13 17:02 ` Mike Frysinger
2011-10-13 18:34 ` Samuli Suominen
2011-10-13 18:55 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-10-13 18:59 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-10-13 19:03 ` Mike Frysinger
2011-10-13 17:05 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2011-10-15 8:42 ` Michael Schreckenbauer [this message]
2011-10-15 8:57 ` Wulf C. Krueger
2011-10-15 9:13 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-10-15 9:23 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-10-15 22:07 ` Zac Medico
2011-10-16 12:52 ` [gentoo-dev] supporting /usr on separate partition (was: Suggestion for getting rid of udev) Ian Stakenvicius
2011-10-16 18:44 ` [gentoo-dev] supporting /usr on separate partition Zac Medico
2011-10-16 19:36 ` Graham Murray
2011-10-16 19:40 ` Michał Górny
2011-10-17 16:02 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2011-10-17 17:24 ` Zac Medico
2011-10-17 17:50 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2011-10-17 17:55 ` Samuli Suominen
2011-10-17 19:18 ` Ian Stakenvicius
2011-10-17 20:01 ` Sven Vermeulen
2011-10-17 20:31 ` Zac Medico
2011-10-16 13:07 ` [gentoo-dev] Suggestion for getting rid of udev Rich Freeman
2011-10-16 19:33 ` Zac Medico
2011-10-17 20:59 ` Joost Roeleveld
2011-10-18 18:03 ` Zac Medico
2011-10-15 4:06 ` Walter Dnes
2011-10-15 7:29 ` Michał Górny
2011-10-15 17:13 ` Mike Frysinger
2011-10-15 20:45 ` Joost Roeleveld
2011-10-15 7:33 ` Michał Górny
2011-10-13 14:12 ` Thomas Kahle
2011-10-15 3:37 ` Walter Dnes
2011-10-15 3:47 ` Canek Peláez Valdés
2011-10-12 7:08 ` Markos Chandras
2011-10-12 13:26 ` Rich Freeman
2011-10-12 19:02 ` Mike Frysinger
2011-10-13 2:16 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2011-10-13 2:43 ` Rich Freeman
2011-10-13 15:17 ` [gentoo-dev] " Olivier Crête
2011-10-13 15:27 ` Mike Frysinger
2011-10-16 18:06 ` Greg KH
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