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From: Grant Goodyear <g2boojum@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:14:33 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4404CB49.2080402@gentoo.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060228215040.GL11818@toucan.gentoo.org>

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Renat Lumpau wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 28, 2006 at 04:31:37PM -0500, Mike Frysinger wrote:
>> today's lesson: proactive QA is frowned upon, it's only a bug when a user 
>> files a report at bugs.gentoo.org
> 
> I don't think that's the lesson. It oughtta be: we need a way to figure out
> which QA issues are important and which are less so. A QA team member's opinion
> (personal attacks, whatever) should be an important input but not the final say.

At the risk of trying to get this conversation back on track, here's
what has been happening:  Some members of the QA team are working on a
new QA tool to identify QA problems in the portage tree.  As they add
new tests, they run their tool on the tree, and file bugs on any
packages that are found to violate that particular QA test.  I think
it's fair to say that these QA checks will find problems ranging from
not-awful-but-annoying to could-break-your-system, but they are all bugs
that ought to be fixed eventually.  Now, if you're currently working on
fixing a big problem and thus too busy to fix the little one, that's
perfectly reasonable, but to not fix a small bug because you know there
are larger bugs that aren't fixed just seems lazy.

So, back to the big issue, are there any real complaints about the QA
team essentially formulating QA policy?  Should new QA policies instead
follow the same rules as new global USE flags or eclasses--an e-mail to
-dev asking for comments first?  Does QA trump, or does the maintainer
trump when it comes to disputes?

-g2boojum-


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-02-28 22:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 168+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-02-26 22:22 [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role Mark Loeser
2006-02-26 22:58 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-26 23:13   ` johnm
2006-02-26 23:51   ` Daniel Goller
2006-02-27  0:42   ` Mark Loeser
2006-02-26 23:11 ` johnm
2006-02-26 23:21   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-26 23:35     ` johnm
2006-02-27  0:09       ` Mark Loeser
2006-02-27  0:29         ` Donnie Berkholz
2006-02-27  0:35           ` Mark Loeser
2006-02-27  1:53             ` Donnie Berkholz
2006-02-27  2:10               ` Mark Loeser
2006-02-27  3:34                 ` Donnie Berkholz
2006-02-27  5:13                   ` Ned Ludd
2006-02-27  6:25                     ` Donnie Berkholz
2006-02-27 16:35               ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-27 16:47                 ` Lance Albertson
2006-02-27 17:15                   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-28 10:21                     ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-02-28 14:48                       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-28 15:02                         ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-02-27 17:30                   ` Stephen Bennett
2006-02-28  9:19                     ` John Mylchreest
2006-02-28 16:04                   ` Mike Frysinger
2006-02-27 20:05                 ` Donnie Berkholz
2006-02-27  5:09           ` Ned Ludd
2006-02-27 16:37             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-27  8:58         ` John Mylchreest
2006-02-26 23:41     ` Alec Warner
2006-02-26 23:51       ` Stuart Herbert
2006-02-27  0:12       ` Mark Loeser
2006-02-27  9:09         ` John Mylchreest
2006-02-27 16:37           ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-27 17:09             ` John Mylchreest
2006-02-27 17:18               ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-26 23:48 ` Stuart Herbert
2006-02-27  0:34   ` Mark Loeser
2006-02-27  1:21     ` Daniel Goller
2006-02-27  9:00     ` Stuart Herbert
2006-02-27 17:08       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-27 17:21         ` Mike Frysinger
2006-02-27 18:12           ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-27 17:31         ` Renat Lumpau
2006-02-27 20:26         ` Stuart Herbert
2006-02-27 20:37           ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-27 20:45             ` Renat Lumpau
2006-02-27 20:54               ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-27 21:02                 ` Renat Lumpau
2006-02-27 21:04                 ` Grant Goodyear
2006-02-27 21:18                   ` Stephen P. Becker
2006-02-27 21:34                     ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-02-27 22:38                     ` Grant Goodyear
2006-02-27 23:07                     ` Alec Warner
2006-02-27 21:34                   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-28 10:42                     ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-02-27 21:12                 ` Stuart Herbert
2006-02-27 21:32                   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-28  9:49                     ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-02-28 14:31                       ` Mike Frysinger
2006-02-28 14:39                       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-28 15:08                         ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-02-28 15:29                           ` Stephen Bennett
2006-02-28 15:42                             ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-02-28 16:23                               ` Stephen Bennett
2006-02-28 16:24                               ` [gentoo-dev] Policies (was: [RFC] QA Team's role) Danny van Dyk
2006-02-28 16:39                                 ` Jakub Moc
2006-02-28 18:35                                   ` Mike Frysinger
2006-02-28 15:29                           ` [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role Ciaran McCreesh
2006-03-01  7:37                             ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-03-01 16:44                               ` Mike Frysinger
2006-02-28 16:00                           ` Mike Frysinger
2006-02-28 11:45                     ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-02-27 21:43                   ` Stephen Bennett
2006-02-28  6:11                   ` Mike Frysinger
2006-02-27 20:49             ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-02-27 21:33               ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-28  9:38                 ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-02-28 12:54                   ` Stephen P. Becker
2006-02-28 13:34                     ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-02-28 14:00                       ` Stephen P. Becker
2006-02-28 14:33                         ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-02-28 15:07                         ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-02-28 14:21                     ` Stuart Herbert
2006-02-28 14:46                       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-28 14:55                         ` Stuart Herbert
2006-02-28 14:52                   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-28 15:12                     ` Patrick Lauer
2006-02-28 15:26                       ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-02-28 15:42                         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-28 16:11                           ` Patrick Lauer
2006-02-28 16:35                             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-28 17:00                               ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-02-28 17:09                                 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-28 17:30                                   ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-02-28 17:38                                     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-28 17:59                                       ` Patrick Lauer
2006-02-28 18:09                                         ` Dan Meltzer
2006-02-28 18:12                                         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-28 19:03                                           ` Wernfried Haas
2006-02-28 18:14                                         ` Fernando J. Pereda
2006-02-28 18:19                                         ` Stephen Bennett
2006-02-28 18:55                                           ` Patrick Lauer
2006-02-28 18:01                                       ` Stephen Bennett
2006-02-28 18:02                                       ` Alec Warner
2006-02-28 19:11                                         ` Thomas de Grenier de Latour
2006-02-28 19:21                                           ` Renat Lumpau
2006-02-28 19:24                                           ` Renat Lumpau
2006-02-28 19:09                                       ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-02-28 19:42                                         ` Danny van Dyk
2006-02-28 20:20                                         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-03-01 12:09                                           ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-03-01 12:24                                             ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-03-01 13:16                                       ` Simon Stelling
2006-02-28 17:02                               ` Renat Lumpau
2006-02-28 17:11                                 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-28 17:51                                   ` Renat Lumpau
2006-02-28 19:59                                     ` Mike Frysinger
2006-02-28 20:10                                       ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-02-28 20:39                                         ` Mike Frysinger
2006-02-28 21:02                                           ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-02-28 21:31                                             ` Mike Frysinger
2006-02-28 21:50                                               ` Renat Lumpau
2006-02-28 21:55                                                 ` Dan Meltzer
2006-02-28 22:10                                                   ` Renat Lumpau
2006-02-28 21:57                                                 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-28 22:12                                                   ` Renat Lumpau
2006-02-28 22:14                                                 ` Grant Goodyear [this message]
2006-02-28 22:36                                                   ` Renat Lumpau
2006-02-28 23:34                                                     ` Mark Loeser
2006-02-28 23:45                                                       ` Renat Lumpau
2006-02-28 23:57                                                         ` Mark Loeser
2006-03-01  0:13                                                       ` Lance Albertson
2006-03-01  0:28                                                         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-03-01  0:40                                                           ` Mike Frysinger
2006-03-01  7:17                                                             ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-03-01  2:22                                                         ` Lance Albertson
2006-02-28 22:42                                                   ` Patrick Lauer
2006-02-28 22:50                                                     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-28 23:10                                                       ` Patrick Lauer
2006-02-28 23:45                                                     ` Mark Loeser
2006-02-28 21:58                                               ` Alec Warner
2006-02-28 23:08                                                 ` Mike Frysinger
2006-03-01 12:24                                                   ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-02-28 18:00                                   ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-02-28 18:39                                     ` Mike Frysinger
2006-02-28 19:27                                       ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-02-28 19:38                                         ` Stephen Bennett
2006-02-28 19:42                                         ` Stephen P. Becker
2006-02-28 16:40                             ` Renat Lumpau
2006-02-28 16:22                           ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-02-28 16:39                             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-28 15:30                       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-28 15:17                     ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-02-28 15:31                       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-03-01  7:21                         ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-03-01 10:29                           ` Danny van Dyk
2006-03-01 11:02                             ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-03-01 12:30                         ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-02-28 15:21                     ` Renat Lumpau
2006-02-27 20:57             ` Stuart Herbert
2006-02-28 10:34             ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-02-28 14:47               ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-28 15:22                 ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-02-27 18:05 ` Grant Goodyear
2006-02-27 18:19   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-28 10:55     ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-02-27 19:05   ` Mark Loeser

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