From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1FECzX-0002id-Jh for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 22:06:48 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1SM5Gm0031124; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 22:05:16 GMT Received: from egr.msu.edu (jeeves.egr.msu.edu [35.9.37.127]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1SLvW4H012684 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 21:57:32 GMT Received: from [69.176.143.70] (69-176-143-70.dov.spartan-net.net [69.176.143.70]) (authenticated bits=0) by egr.msu.edu (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1SLwDhM027886 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:58:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4404C786.9020000@gentoo.org> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:58:30 -0500 From: Alec Warner Organization: Gentoo User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20050806) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role References: <20060227213321.7ee405ec@snowdrop.home> <200602281539.43661.vapier@gentoo.org> <905929917.20060228220239@gentoo.org> <200602281631.37594.vapier@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <200602281631.37594.vapier@gentoo.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.90.2.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigB0587E9BA6EDA73FDD0D37FE" X-Archives-Salt: 66fe4862-da8d-4b3a-9de8-ae994e9b1638 X-Archives-Hash: 36e3b17c10130e1084c1b68a31982b2b This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigB0587E9BA6EDA73FDD0D37FE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mike Frysinger wrote: > On Tuesday 28 February 2006 16:02, Jakub Moc wrote: > >>28.2.2006, 21:39:43, Mike Frysinger wrote: >> >>>whats your point ? if an ebuild author wants to control the SLOT, then >>>they should be able to without having an invalid warning issued on the >>>subject >>> >>>considering the nature of the warning, it should be trivial to make it >>>into a proper QA check by having the class see where files were installed >>>and then warn/abort if certain conditions are met >>> >>>there's no reason for the user to see this crap >> >>Yeah, and there's no reason for user to see USE_EXPAND QA notice crap, >>eclass inherited illegally crap and a couple of others - this isn't going >>anywhere. > > > unrelated ... that is a portage limitation that has deeper work going on > around it to resolve the issue properly ... this is an eclass limitation that > can be resolved now > > >>You are trying to solve something that noone ever complained about. Why not >>rather solve stuff like ebuilds that depend unconditionally on arts, but >>because they inherit kde eclass they get bogus arts use flag from the >>eclass. This is an issue that's truly confusing and that people are filing >>bugs about. There's the difference between doing something useful and >>wasting time on an artificially invented issue. > > > right, so from now on people shouldnt bother fixing issues until a bug is > filed, that way we know someone actually cares enough to have the issue > resolved > > today's lesson: proactive QA is frowned upon, it's only a bug when a user > files a report at bugs.gentoo.org > -mike Actually as was mentioned on #gentoo-qa earlier today, I'd prefer to see bugs filed in almost all circumstances. If QA and the maintainer can fix stuff without bugs, thats cool, especially for trivial matters. If QA and the developer aren't getting along on a specific issue then there is no reason NOT to have a bug open. Otherwise you get circumstances that were also discussed, such as "I told the maintainer in person over a year ago..." which may in fact be true, but people forget things and make mistakes and now you have nothing to point at for proof of inactivity except a vague statement. Better to cover your rear and be able to point to a year old bug with a solution attached, and be like "look there is a bug and a fix and no one did jack squat." Essentially you have a case for any sane developer to agree with. --------------enigB0587E9BA6EDA73FDD0D37FE Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQIVAwUBRATHi2zglR5RwbyYAQKdZQ//eItfz6v79o0AT0Lrk3KV3uBfhDBaCTcU CmKbkr5VhR13kW2FGAHIm8Kf8zx7aUf26/39WHQqiG/K+x5yQqRPQgeJg0BU0GjG veYJLN+dx7Rb+9SdQe3JvOGrzUo2U6fgy/pAwIE864kIWwgdiJyZ3S9Ltbkujcgn pA+Lr1z1xG9hVk5Kmxcc6U0rM0Ml0QSTmvWVz6PCgN999P8JtT7zYwR+L7USwkD/ DnxxN7y3EeKiTEiRWPE6m8uuSeICGydK1l2hoGkTrzZsOUGkLtUZS0vV/Pmzbs9l lTWtY0aOIEafrO/OX+ogS2lJwRcEbFTo4mpLRR/+b0biOr3gyrPFISoj1POForEA J7f+AJ0hLe1W8JU/hIOnivVS3mCJJABG2Q471hGZulfs8viVGa2tTiL/ZEvk4o/p VWvWefZ/7l0PJj+jxqHNTYaVqPZr6v9rn7ZIgMO2Yv7O/2SmhaJPTibu0OYlYktB wyzkiVGroCG7PZESU3M/ZmEspwIU/L4616TRlF5CeOSLKFWjdfHEKHohNo4Cm9wj +1CGE0XdPNH+rx0sspWE9awtJfu4BHkG26SBNzMIdxG3hMvkGDNoIa3h/v4aNaAK BmxykzXe4Uzz+PUx1NCmR+HhSkAWCdvSNTe48L5X7JuAqd7W/EYPr7fQ57iulo3/ zThBok6Hm4w= =MPlX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigB0587E9BA6EDA73FDD0D37FE-- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list