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From: Grant Goodyear <g2boojum@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 12:05:58 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <44033F86.7060805@gentoo.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20060226222217.GB17257@aerie.halcy0n.com>

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Mark Loeser wrote:
> * In case of emergency, or if package maintainers refuse to cooperate,
>   the QA team may take action themselves to fix the problem.

My suspicion is that the more common problem is going to be inaccessible
developers, rather than uncooperative ones.  Certainly, if a maintainer
cannot be contacted, then I would prefer that QA fix the problem rather
than let it languish.  So, yes, I do believe that QA needs the ability
to go in and change any package that is broken.  (It's worth noting,
though, that every dev w/ tree access already has that ability, and the
only real issue is the amount of pain that will be inflicted on a dev
who changes packages both without permission and without skill.  Very
few devs will complain about somebody improving packages even without
permission as long as the improvement is done well.)

> * In the event that a developer still insists that a package does not
>   break QA standards, an appeal can be made at the next council meeting. The
>   package should be dealt with per QA's request until such a time that a
>   decision is made by the council.

I'm somewhat ambivalent on this one on a couple of points, and the
nxserver case (bug #123926) hits both of them.  The first is that it
seems to me that in a case like this one, where the package involved is
a minor one that (I think) is not a dependency of any other packages,
the most that QA should do is hard mask the package w/ a clear note
pointing to the bug report, until some sort of resolution is achieved.
Removing the package would seem to be a bit much.  The second is the
fact that I don't really like seeing policy bounced to the council
unless absolutely necessary.  Just as was seen here, a discussion on
-dev might well lead to a reasonable compromise.  If it doesn't, then
the council can get involved.

Of course, that leaves the question of who decides on the severity of a
QA violation?  Well, I would suggest that the QA team does, at the risk
of getting publicly smacked down if they choose poorly.

-g2boojum-



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  parent reply	other threads:[~2006-02-27 18:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 168+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-02-26 22:22 [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role Mark Loeser
2006-02-26 22:58 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-26 23:13   ` johnm
2006-02-26 23:51   ` Daniel Goller
2006-02-27  0:42   ` Mark Loeser
2006-02-26 23:11 ` johnm
2006-02-26 23:21   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-26 23:35     ` johnm
2006-02-27  0:09       ` Mark Loeser
2006-02-27  0:29         ` Donnie Berkholz
2006-02-27  0:35           ` Mark Loeser
2006-02-27  1:53             ` Donnie Berkholz
2006-02-27  2:10               ` Mark Loeser
2006-02-27  3:34                 ` Donnie Berkholz
2006-02-27  5:13                   ` Ned Ludd
2006-02-27  6:25                     ` Donnie Berkholz
2006-02-27 16:35               ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-27 16:47                 ` Lance Albertson
2006-02-27 17:15                   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-28 10:21                     ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-02-28 14:48                       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-28 15:02                         ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-02-27 17:30                   ` Stephen Bennett
2006-02-28  9:19                     ` John Mylchreest
2006-02-28 16:04                   ` Mike Frysinger
2006-02-27 20:05                 ` Donnie Berkholz
2006-02-27  5:09           ` Ned Ludd
2006-02-27 16:37             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-27  8:58         ` John Mylchreest
2006-02-26 23:41     ` Alec Warner
2006-02-26 23:51       ` Stuart Herbert
2006-02-27  0:12       ` Mark Loeser
2006-02-27  9:09         ` John Mylchreest
2006-02-27 16:37           ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-27 17:09             ` John Mylchreest
2006-02-27 17:18               ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-26 23:48 ` Stuart Herbert
2006-02-27  0:34   ` Mark Loeser
2006-02-27  1:21     ` Daniel Goller
2006-02-27  9:00     ` Stuart Herbert
2006-02-27 17:08       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-27 17:21         ` Mike Frysinger
2006-02-27 18:12           ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-27 17:31         ` Renat Lumpau
2006-02-27 20:26         ` Stuart Herbert
2006-02-27 20:37           ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-27 20:45             ` Renat Lumpau
2006-02-27 20:54               ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-27 21:02                 ` Renat Lumpau
2006-02-27 21:04                 ` Grant Goodyear
2006-02-27 21:18                   ` Stephen P. Becker
2006-02-27 21:34                     ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-02-27 22:38                     ` Grant Goodyear
2006-02-27 23:07                     ` Alec Warner
2006-02-27 21:34                   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-28 10:42                     ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-02-27 21:12                 ` Stuart Herbert
2006-02-27 21:32                   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-28  9:49                     ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-02-28 14:31                       ` Mike Frysinger
2006-02-28 14:39                       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-28 15:08                         ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-02-28 15:29                           ` Stephen Bennett
2006-02-28 15:42                             ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-02-28 16:23                               ` Stephen Bennett
2006-02-28 16:24                               ` [gentoo-dev] Policies (was: [RFC] QA Team's role) Danny van Dyk
2006-02-28 16:39                                 ` Jakub Moc
2006-02-28 18:35                                   ` Mike Frysinger
2006-02-28 15:29                           ` [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role Ciaran McCreesh
2006-03-01  7:37                             ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-03-01 16:44                               ` Mike Frysinger
2006-02-28 16:00                           ` Mike Frysinger
2006-02-28 11:45                     ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-02-27 21:43                   ` Stephen Bennett
2006-02-28  6:11                   ` Mike Frysinger
2006-02-27 20:49             ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-02-27 21:33               ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-28  9:38                 ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-02-28 12:54                   ` Stephen P. Becker
2006-02-28 13:34                     ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-02-28 14:00                       ` Stephen P. Becker
2006-02-28 14:33                         ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-02-28 15:07                         ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-02-28 14:21                     ` Stuart Herbert
2006-02-28 14:46                       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-28 14:55                         ` Stuart Herbert
2006-02-28 14:52                   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-28 15:12                     ` Patrick Lauer
2006-02-28 15:26                       ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-02-28 15:42                         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-28 16:11                           ` Patrick Lauer
2006-02-28 16:35                             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-28 17:00                               ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-02-28 17:09                                 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-28 17:30                                   ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-02-28 17:38                                     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-28 17:59                                       ` Patrick Lauer
2006-02-28 18:09                                         ` Dan Meltzer
2006-02-28 18:12                                         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-28 19:03                                           ` Wernfried Haas
2006-02-28 18:14                                         ` Fernando J. Pereda
2006-02-28 18:19                                         ` Stephen Bennett
2006-02-28 18:55                                           ` Patrick Lauer
2006-02-28 18:01                                       ` Stephen Bennett
2006-02-28 18:02                                       ` Alec Warner
2006-02-28 19:11                                         ` Thomas de Grenier de Latour
2006-02-28 19:21                                           ` Renat Lumpau
2006-02-28 19:24                                           ` Renat Lumpau
2006-02-28 19:09                                       ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-02-28 19:42                                         ` Danny van Dyk
2006-02-28 20:20                                         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-03-01 12:09                                           ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-03-01 12:24                                             ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-03-01 13:16                                       ` Simon Stelling
2006-02-28 17:02                               ` Renat Lumpau
2006-02-28 17:11                                 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-28 17:51                                   ` Renat Lumpau
2006-02-28 19:59                                     ` Mike Frysinger
2006-02-28 20:10                                       ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-02-28 20:39                                         ` Mike Frysinger
2006-02-28 21:02                                           ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-02-28 21:31                                             ` Mike Frysinger
2006-02-28 21:50                                               ` Renat Lumpau
2006-02-28 21:55                                                 ` Dan Meltzer
2006-02-28 22:10                                                   ` Renat Lumpau
2006-02-28 21:57                                                 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-28 22:12                                                   ` Renat Lumpau
2006-02-28 22:14                                                 ` Grant Goodyear
2006-02-28 22:36                                                   ` Renat Lumpau
2006-02-28 23:34                                                     ` Mark Loeser
2006-02-28 23:45                                                       ` Renat Lumpau
2006-02-28 23:57                                                         ` Mark Loeser
2006-03-01  0:13                                                       ` Lance Albertson
2006-03-01  0:28                                                         ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-03-01  0:40                                                           ` Mike Frysinger
2006-03-01  7:17                                                             ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-03-01  2:22                                                         ` Lance Albertson
2006-02-28 22:42                                                   ` Patrick Lauer
2006-02-28 22:50                                                     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-28 23:10                                                       ` Patrick Lauer
2006-02-28 23:45                                                     ` Mark Loeser
2006-02-28 21:58                                               ` Alec Warner
2006-02-28 23:08                                                 ` Mike Frysinger
2006-03-01 12:24                                                   ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-02-28 18:00                                   ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-02-28 18:39                                     ` Mike Frysinger
2006-02-28 19:27                                       ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-02-28 19:38                                         ` Stephen Bennett
2006-02-28 19:42                                         ` Stephen P. Becker
2006-02-28 16:40                             ` Renat Lumpau
2006-02-28 16:22                           ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-02-28 16:39                             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-28 15:30                       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-28 15:17                     ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-02-28 15:31                       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-03-01  7:21                         ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-03-01 10:29                           ` Danny van Dyk
2006-03-01 11:02                             ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2006-03-01 12:30                         ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-02-28 15:21                     ` Renat Lumpau
2006-02-27 20:57             ` Stuart Herbert
2006-02-28 10:34             ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-02-28 14:47               ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-28 15:22                 ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-02-27 18:05 ` Grant Goodyear [this message]
2006-02-27 18:19   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2006-02-28 10:55     ` Paul de Vrieze
2006-02-27 19:05   ` Mark Loeser

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