From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1FDXbx-0006yL-Iv for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 01:55:42 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k1R1sp2D002044; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 01:54:51 GMT Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [134.68.220.30]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k1R1qu0F020152 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 01:52:56 GMT Received: from c-67-171-150-177.hsd1.or.comcast.net ([67.171.150.177] helo=[192.168.1.106]) by smtp.gentoo.org with esmtpa (Exim 4.54) id 1FDXZI-0002fQ-0j for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 01:52:56 +0000 Message-ID: <44025B90.3080208@gentoo.org> Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 17:53:20 -0800 From: Donnie Berkholz User-Agent: Mail/News 1.5 (X11/20060208) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] QA Team's role References: <20060226222217.GB17257@aerie.halcy0n.com> <20060226231121.GB11930@dogmatix.willow.local> <20060226232147.37349bc2@snowdrop.home> <20060226233558.GD11930@dogmatix.willow.local> <20060227000929.GC17257@aerie.halcy0n.com> <440247DE.5010902@gentoo.org> <20060227003541.GF17257@aerie.halcy0n.com> In-Reply-To: <20060227003541.GF17257@aerie.halcy0n.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigCC8C90542CCF6DB6C93ED086" X-Archives-Salt: aae3d4a8-09f7-49d8-b9ee-0c8025ff6060 X-Archives-Hash: be49fc804ce5817bcafa545b5b24a25e This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigCC8C90542CCF6DB6C93ED086 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mark Loeser wrote: > Donnie Berkholz said: >> Mark Loeser wrote: >>> Well, instead of putting the debate into an even larger crowd, this >>> enables the QA team to act in the way it sees best first. If people >>> believe we were wrong, then we give them the option to talk to the >>> council about one of our changes. Also, we aren't unwilling to hear >>> alternatives and we hope to work with the maintainer on these problem= s. >> As Stuart mentioned, this is not a good idea. If the maintainer >> disagrees with QA-made changes, the changes should be reverted until a= >> higher-level decision is made. This mirrors FreeBSD policy [1], which >> seems to be working quite well for them. A particularly relevant part = is >> this: >> >> "Any disputed change must be backed out pending resolution of the >> dispute if requested by a maintainer. Security related changes may >> override a maintainer's wishes at the Security Officer's discretion." >=20 > Which is basically what we are saying. Stuart seems to be saying to > leave things "broken" and wait until a higher level decision is made. > We want to fix it/back it out/do whatever, and then come to some > resolution later if we couldn't at first. No, it's the exact opposite of what you're saying. You want to commit first and let the maintainer bring it to the council. I'm saying the maintainer has the right to have any non-security commit to his/her package reverted pending a decision. The maintainer should be the absolute authority over his/her packages, and only the council should be able to overrule maintainer decisions in the case of disagreement between the maintainer and anybody else. Thanks, Donnie --------------enigCC8C90542CCF6DB6C93ED086 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEAluRXVaO67S1rtsRAkjjAJ0do5ADk6/5OwcQFLIlGcb4THdtfQCfUR0l QUbIVok74MjIUuEmd2r6ojo= =bkcN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigCC8C90542CCF6DB6C93ED086-- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list