From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1F1ewG-0004bi-Tm for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 07:19:33 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k0P7Ioc1028697; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 07:18:50 GMT Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [134.68.220.30]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k0P7Ggi5010757 for ; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 07:16:42 GMT Received: from c-67-171-150-177.hsd1.or.comcast.net ([67.171.150.177] helo=[192.168.1.106]) by smtp.gentoo.org with esmtpa (Exim 4.54) id 1F1etV-0000yh-G2 for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 07:16:41 +0000 Message-ID: <43D725D6.9080601@gentoo.org> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 23:16:38 -0800 From: Donnie Berkholz User-Agent: Mail/News 1.5 (X11/20060120) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Unmasking modular X References: <43D5D1E4.9020801@gentoo.org> <20060124071808.14fcecc3@snowdrop.home> <43D5D84C.5000105@gentoo.org> <20060125012137.2c706947@snowdrop.home> <43D71A79.6020104@gentoo.org> <20060125065327.2d39a0d2@snowdrop.home> In-Reply-To: <20060125065327.2d39a0d2@snowdrop.home> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig1C5664900C5B1B9F159B8B77" X-Archives-Salt: ffd288a2-a587-4192-a7fa-e639cae2dfe7 X-Archives-Hash: d2f6f5f85c801cfb1351236c8576ff87 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig1C5664900C5B1B9F159B8B77 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 22:28:09 -0800 Donnie Berkholz > wrote: > | Yes, for all 3 people who have a clue what it means when virtual/x11 > | gets pulled in. How many users do you seriously think will have a clu= e > | and think "Oh, virtual/x11 is getting pulled in here. I must have a > | package that isn't ported to modular X somewhere in this list. Let me= > | track it down and file a bug."? >=20 > When users suddenly see lots of extra X packages being pulled in that > they don't need, it'll be rather obvious (and trivial to track down > with --tree). Especially if it's documented somewhere that "packages > that suddenly pull in lots of extra X packages usually means porting > needed". Where do they define "lots"? Many packages will legitimately pull in a large quantity of libs or apps that are not installed by someone emerging xorg-server, e.g. > | > * The clean solution is the solution originally proposed to this > | > list, and the reason we are using new style virtuals. > |=20 > | No, this is wrong. The reason we are using new style virtuals is so w= e > | could have a versioning in what provides virtual/x11. Namely, 6.8 or > | older. >=20 > Uh, given that you can do that with old style virtuals, methinks that > isn't the case... Really? It's certainly not made clear. Has the ability existed for long? I can only find a single example of it in the virtuals files, which was added last summer. I don't make a habit of browsing through profiles every few months to see whether some new undocumented feature has appeare= d. There are no existing examples anywhere in the documentation I've seen, and only a vague hint that virtuals could be any DEPEND atom. Given that virtual dependencies couldn't work properly with versions, it was a carryover that virtuals could also not be provided by versioned things. I guarantee you that adding all of modular X to the virtual/x11 will make this drag out for years, and THAT is unacceptable to me. Thanks, Donnie --------------enig1C5664900C5B1B9F159B8B77 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFD1yXYXVaO67S1rtsRAgaNAKCLwUD42Bqp3r6K5Qsf9D19aRGuagCgs0qX m7GfUd7neSRjMQFmk+PZQMY= =apDl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig1C5664900C5B1B9F159B8B77-- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list