[gentoo-dev] 2006-01-15 PPC meeting summary

[gentoo-dev] 2006-01-15 PPC meeting summary

[Lars Weiler]

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Summary of the ppc-meeting on January 15, 2006, 19 UTC.


== 1. 2006.0 release ==

profile:
* currently located in default-linux/ppc/dev/ppc/ppc32/
* small generic ppc profile
* G3 and G4 sub-profiles with "desktop"-use-flags and CFLAGS-optimization
* new: nptl on all profiles (needed a glibc-fix)

We will release:
* generic ppc stage1, stage2, stage3
* G3 stage3
* G4 stage3
* minimal InstallCD
* universal InstallCD
* GRP CD

Pylon built testing-stages and a minimal InstallCD.  Testers
are welcome.

If we can get KuroBox and RS/6000 netboot-images working, they will go into
experimental first.

The 2.6.14-kernel doesn't support current PowerBooks, but the 2.6.15-kernel
has some issues with ARCH-settings (powerpc instead of ppc).  This isn't
covered by several eclasses yet, so that building of external kernel-drivers
fails.  Instead of waiting for 2.6.16 which will most like resolve this issue,
JoseJX will look into changing the eclasses.  Furthermore there is a tested
genkernel for 2.6.15 and other arches will use that kernel as well.

One thing isn't working: splashutils.  There are issues with klibc (not
stable) and klibc in combination with a 2.6.15-kernel (breaks).  An upstream
testing-klibc works, but isn't in portage yet.  All in all we don't need
splashutils and it saves at least 10MB on the InstallCD.


== 2. Dev Activity (Who's alive?) ==

Devs seemed to have vanished and even the operational manager isn't around
(which had happened more often in the past -- probably there is a bane on this
position).  Several devs don't have a lot of interest in Gentoo any more, but
as there is nobody who will maintain their distribution of choice, they still
do their job without much fun.  But instead of searching for new devs, we will
first try to find out, who is really active.  Therefore hansmi sent out an
e-mail to all 21 devs on the list.  Who didn't respond within two weeks and
gave a short activity report on ppc@ will be taken out of the ppc-herd.


== 3. Open Bugs / PPC Bug Day? ==

Currently we have about 70 open bugs for ppc@.  Some devs went through the
list during the last week and shrank to half of its size.  But still, there
are too many open bugs.  Every dev should use the time before the release and
go through the open bugs.  Furthermore we'll do a ppc-bugday for resolving the
harder bugs all together.  Estimated time will be next Saturday (January 21),
14 UTC.

There are some open bugs for keywording requests, which have been done
already.  We still need a way to find out, what has been keyworded by the
ppc-team and which bugs we can close then.  Searching for open bugs while
doing a keywording-session isn't acceptable.


== 4. Toolchain Updates (GCC 4.1?) ==

gcc-4.1 works on ppc and there are only few issues.  All AltiVec-bugs have
been resolved.  A kernel could be compiled and is bootable.  It seems to be a
good idea for creating a testing-/dev-profile with that special toolchain for
further testing.

More investigation is needed for autovectorization and libfreevec.


== 5. Some form of regular status reports ==

We want to tell ourselves, Gentoo and Users about the activity in the ppc
team.  But how?  There are ideas for blog-posts with a subject [ppc] tagged on
Gentoo Planet, or via e-mail on ppc@, or even via CVS-logs.

For the time, every dev should send regular status-reports to the ppc@-list
and JoseJX will take care for the aggregation, a post on the website and
notification to the GWN-crew.

Wormo asked for some space in CVS where document-drafts could be placed.  As
the need and also the format are in question, we'll postpone that request.


== 6. Hardware support status ==

Users asked to release information when new hardware could be supported by
Linux.  This is usually no special Gentoo topic, but we will add such
information with links to FAQ or guides to the status-report or to the
website.  We won't do a hardware-matrix, as all trials went out too
complicated.


== 7. 2006.0 Documentation Status ==

There are only few changes needed:
* profile
* kernel (probably)
* further OldWorld support

Some users mentioned in http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-420722.html that
our FAQ isn't verbose enough.  JoseJX is against including questions which
could be answered by google instantly (like "What is Airport?").  The FAQ
should be terse.  But JoseJX will go through the docs and look if there is
something which needs to be explained a bit more.


== 8. Open Floor ==

Most attendees fall to bed.  More than three hours are enough.

-- 
Lars Weiler  <pylon@gentoo.org>  +49-171-1963258
Gentoo Linux PowerPC    : Developer and Release Engineer
Gentoo Infrastructure   : CVS Administrator
Gentoo Foundation       : Trustee

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[gentoo-dev] Re: 2006-01-15 PPC meeting summary

[Luca Barbato]

Lars Weiler wrote:
> == 2. Dev Activity (Who's alive?) ==
> 
> Devs seemed to have vanished and even the operational manager isn't around

strategic, not operational, I'm still alive ^^!

> (which had happened more often in the past -- probably there is a bane on this
> position). 

lu

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Luca Barbato

Gentoo/linux Developer		Gentoo/PPC Operational Leader
http://dev.gentoo.org/~lu_zero

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