From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1Etse1-0005gE-7m for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 20:20:33 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k03KJDDO001267; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 20:19:13 GMT Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [134.68.220.30]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k03KFI90013990 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 20:15:19 GMT Received: from c-67-171-150-177.hsd1.or.comcast.net ([67.171.150.177] helo=[192.168.1.106]) by smtp.gentoo.org with esmtpa (Exim 4.54) id 1EtsJy-0001UA-20 for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 19:59:50 +0000 Message-ID: <43BAD7B5.3050008@gentoo.org> Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 11:59:49 -0800 From: Donnie Berkholz User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051219) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January References: <200601011053.k01ArjOh019213@robin.gentoo.org> <43B96D6D.8080107@gentoo.org> <1136226795.8779.10.camel@localhost> <43B975FD.1000401@gentoo.org> <1136228634.23404.125.camel@localhost> <1136230095.8779.32.camel@localhost> <43BAB220.1030601@gentoo.org> <43BAB438.8000301@gentoo.org> <43BAC113.3090603@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <43BAC113.3090603@gentoo.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.90.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: e3e1e1ed-3e87-4640-be37-156652251acf X-Archives-Hash: 3218d96e84cf07f49257357258930cd6 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Simon Stelling wrote: | Donnie Berkholz wrote: |> - - Releng would work to ensure that installing Gentoo is as easy as |> possible. | | | This is very vague too. Easy for who? Easy for a user who is too lazy to | read docs and doesn't have any experience or easy for a sysadmin with | plenty of experience trying to setting up Gentoo on a cluster with >100 | boxes? I think this makes it pretty clear that there is not simply one | implementation referring to one idea, but I'm afraid that these 'goals' | could be misused to force a common direction instead of having multiple | efforts addressing the same idea in different ways. I'm guessing that the vast majority of our users have Gentoo installed on one or a few computers, and are typical hobbyists. That's who I would target with making things easier, while trying to avoid regressions in the other cases. That could certainly use some research though. | |> - - The portage team could conduct usability studies of portage (perhaps |> with the help of openusability.org?). | | | 'to conduct usability studies' sounds great, but it's IMHO not much | more. I don't need studies to point out annoying things from a user | perspective, I'm a user myself. Sure, feedback is good, but we already | get feedback, in the form of bug reports. OK, but you're one user. Maybe you are very unusual and 99 out of 100 other Gentoo users would do things totally differently. | How do e.g. arches fit into this scheme? Yeah, sure, they make Gentoo | easier to use because they keyword stuff. Great. I'm really glad | somebody tells me why I am doing the stuff I've been doing for more than | a year. | | So, the 'easy to learn/use' goal might be a goal that quite some | projects already are trying to attain, but it really isn't *THE* goal | for Gentoo, is it? Who said we can only have one goal? Thanks, Donnie -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDute0XVaO67S1rtsRAmhBAJwJ5m7jXuhutvQmBr+5pJZOL6LX0gCg/1zJ +XPdMpWHtIA6bLg3n/7e000= =36So -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list