From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1EtsMQ-0003Y6-Fd for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 20:02:22 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k03K0feL007488; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 20:00:41 GMT Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [134.68.220.30]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k03Jv0PX015176 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 19:57:01 GMT Received: from c-67-171-150-177.hsd1.or.comcast.net ([67.171.150.177] helo=[192.168.1.106]) by smtp.gentoo.org with esmtpa (Exim 4.54) id 1EtsHE-0002Jm-Cj for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 19:57:00 +0000 Message-ID: <43BAD70B.1040006@gentoo.org> Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 11:56:59 -0800 From: Donnie Berkholz User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051219) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January References: <200601011053.k01ArjOh019213@robin.gentoo.org> <43B96D6D.8080107@gentoo.org> <1136226795.8779.10.camel@localhost> <43B975FD.1000401@gentoo.org> <1136228634.23404.125.camel@localhost> <1136230095.8779.32.camel@localhost> <43BAB220.1030601@gentoo.org> <43BAB438.8000301@gentoo.org> <1136312226.27358.59.camel@cgianelloni.nuvox.net> In-Reply-To: <1136312226.27358.59.camel@cgianelloni.nuvox.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.90.0.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 554f956e-91da-4df3-9e02-20de35136e26 X-Archives-Hash: cbf63ef85d714331ac58ba8908a9d4ef -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Chris Gianelloni wrote: | As a prime example, I strongly believe that making Gentoo "as easy as | possible" can only come about by reducing its usability. If there is a | large number of choices, no matter how well documented, it isn't easy | for a beginner. The only way I can see to make installing Gentoo "as | easy as possible" is by removing choice and functionality to the point | of it being a few clicks of the mouse and everything being done for you. | The problem is that anything that is stated generally can be taken to an | extreme. If you say "as easy as possible" then I think unattended | identical installations for all Gentoo machines. After all, what's | easier than that? | | I would *never* agree to this, nor force any member of any project that | I am a part of to participate in such an endeavour, so you now already | have at least one person opposed to it. Would action be taken against | me? Who knows. The point is that we do not get paid. You cannot force | volunteers to do things they do not want to do. This isn't about forcing you to do things a certain way. It's about if somebody asked you to make Gentoo easier to learn and use, what would you do as part of releng? How would you do it? Perhaps you would have to make some sort of choice of usability over easy to learn, or vice versa. That's your decision. The council would just suggest what it would like to see happen to Gentoo. You're focusing too much on forcing people to do this or that. Why wouldn't you want to make Gentoo easier to use, or learn how to use? That's my question. Thanks, Donnie -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFDutcLXVaO67S1rtsRAqS6AKDGtHunoKyN9xgqhU1e9ouDOcMcSQCg0JBX hhruT2HR4kqknDsXn8d4mXA= =AgU5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list