From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1EtpsF-0003lx-Gg for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 17:23:03 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id k03HMAX0024417; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 17:22:10 GMT Received: from buggy.blubb.ch (cable-static-87-245-102-53.shinternet.ch [87.245.102.53]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id k03HJT0f012563 for ; Tue, 3 Jan 2006 17:19:29 GMT Received: from chief ([192.168.10.2]) by buggy.blubb.ch with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1Etpmj-0006Bv-UJ for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Tue, 03 Jan 2006 18:17:21 +0100 Message-ID: <43BAB220.1030601@gentoo.org> Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 18:19:28 +0100 From: Simon Stelling User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051023) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Monthly Gentoo Council Reminder for January References: <200601011053.k01ArjOh019213@robin.gentoo.org> <43B96D6D.8080107@gentoo.org> <1136226795.8779.10.camel@localhost> <43B975FD.1000401@gentoo.org> <1136228634.23404.125.camel@localhost> <1136230095.8779.32.camel@localhost> In-Reply-To: <1136230095.8779.32.camel@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: a78ee0ca-ca98-4c1a-a5e4-6d74c9b54ec8 X-Archives-Hash: 47dcab3ff1d333cca10473094dbdb488 Hi, Lares Moreau wrote: > need to have some form of Governance board. A board that doesn't worry > about implementation details; a board that gives a long term vision to > our project. This sounds very scary to me. Perhaps that's because I'm not sure how detailed such a plan would be. If our goal is... * "Make Gentoo the best distro 0n 73h p14n37" I can only say "what a lame marketing." * "Make Gentoo the most customizable distro" I'm pretty sure some users with silly ideas will ask us to implement the feature/whatever. If we reject their idea, they come up with something like "But Gentoo is all about customisation!!!111". (Actually, I was already confronted with such a situation in a real-world meeting, it was pretty annoying.) Also, this might not be where everybody wants to go. * "Let's implement $foo with $bar." Oh well, then we already have implementational details, which don't belong into a 'general goal'. > I am a big believer is having a common goal to unite all people who work > with an organization. I'm sorry If I am repeating myself, but I feel > this is an issue that is vital to the continued success of Gentoo. If you replace 'organization' with 'project', I agree. There should be something like a common goal. However, I don't think Gentoo has to have one single goal. I'm pretty sure everybody of us has his own ideas where Gentoo should go and his own motivations which make him contribute. So why make generalisations? Just as an example: Taken from the project listing page: The developer relations Project is an effort to recruit, train, and manage developers for Gentoo's development structure. Now let's have a look at the three possible goals I stated above. * "Make the best distro 0n 73h p14n37" Obviously devrel's goal somehow supports this, as you can assume that people spend more time on Gentoo-related work if there is a good climate, but do you really need a global goal for such a trivial thing? I don't think so. * "Make Gentoo the most customizable distro" I can't see how devrel contributes anything to this goal. Oh, wait a sec, it doesn't contribute anything to Gentoo's goal? Let's drop it! * "Let's implement $foo with $bar." See above. My point is, either you have to generalize each project's goal to a real triviality or you have to define a goal which doesn't match some project's goals. Conclusion: Let it be. Regards, -- Simon Stelling Gentoo/AMD64 Operational Co-Lead blubb@gentoo.org -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list