From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1Er78f-0004ox-4P for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 05:12:45 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id jBR5C2CE007653; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 05:12:02 GMT Received: from wproxy.gmail.com (wproxy.gmail.com [64.233.184.202]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jBR5AAV7024203 for ; Tue, 27 Dec 2005 05:10:11 GMT Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i28so263281wra for ; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 21:10:10 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:user-agent:x-accept-language:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=V401yG0udVHUo56VcJqj2fY22CZzdvW89a6QnYcHLvc5ILq5jCkqM9ET9TjmBCrzMrg8xllC1kVRd2peXuRWB85i63DluqxPdZUrhWux9Xi/KOfqWikGHvWSo2CrODiWrVj2fe1fyKebairBSiK5wXwkAtpoGQn9G63pnG5oWbo= Received: by 10.54.115.7 with SMTP id n7mr6704310wrc; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 21:10:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.0.128? ( [71.50.97.33]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id d7sm7311996wra.2005.12.26.21.10.07; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 21:10:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <43B0CCAC.40006@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 00:10:04 -0500 From: Chandler Carruth User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051002) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Stupid USE defaults that need cleaning References: <43AF7B25.6060803@gentoo.org> <20051226153533.695493e4@snowdrop.home> <1962459692.20051226175717@gentoo.org> <1135622183.3203.27.camel@zelda.hyrule> <1135635587.7410.32.camel@localhost> <43B0C2E1.2030108@gmail.com> <20051227044356.GM5809@nightcrawler.e-centre.net> In-Reply-To: <20051227044356.GM5809@nightcrawler.e-centre.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 09a0cdb3-f71c-4858-96cf-3a76d0807346 X-Archives-Hash: fe1412c488c34b6bcb889b78b6e7f1e4 Brian Harring wrote: >On Mon, Dec 26, 2005 at 11:28:17PM -0500, Chandler Carruth wrote: > > >>It occurs to me that this could be (to an extent) accomplished by having >>a few more "specialized" subprofiles for x86: base, desktop, gnome, and kde. >> >>base - as the name implies, a _basic_ starting point... very similar to >>server profiles, etc. veeery minimal. >>desktop - almost identical to the current USE flags -- what Joe Q. User >>"should" have to be safe, and have programs function as expected. >>gnome / kde - slight specializations of the above to tailor the use >>flags for one desktop environ or the other.. >> >>Problems? >>1) heavier usage and depth of the profile, making where things come in >>more and more obscure. >>2) could lead to proliferation of environment tailored "desktop" >>derivatives. (xfce, fluxbox, the list could go on) This may not be a >>problem as many distros have successfully divided between KDE and Gnome, >>and the base / desktop profiles would allow users ways to customize, as >>always. >>3) there is _no_ functionality added by any of this, only >>"user-friendliness" after a fashion, and as such, perhaps it should all >>be chucked in favor of having users competently declare their own global >>USE flags during the install, however I doubt that'll get very far. *shrug* >> >> > >4) need for the ability to inherit multiple parent profiles. > >Otherwise, x86 desktop profile is not guranteed in anyway to reflect >sparc desktop profile (yes, somewhat the case now). > >A gnome desktop profile would make sense imo, but from a work >standpoint is totally dependant on ability to inherit multiple >parents. > >~harring > > How close is that ability to portage? Is there interest/room for help/work towards it? I would like to see a more sensible approach to establishing default settings (USE flags not the only thing here). Would help the confusion, and end some of the arts/no-arts, eds/no-eds madness. Would also aid end users in beginning to customize their system rather than simply using a default setup. What about the other 3 problems I myself raised? -Chandler Carruth -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list