From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1EqMpb-0007ph-A4 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 03:45:59 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id jBP3iAVS029686; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 03:44:10 GMT Received: from mirus.exceedtech.net (ftp.crawdat.com [65.116.46.21]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jBP3fM68009060 for ; Sun, 25 Dec 2005 03:41:22 GMT Received: from [205.208.159.92] (JacksonDialPool1.092.ikano.com [205.208.159.92]) by mirus.exceedtech.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id jBP3iMwT012431 for ; Sat, 24 Dec 2005 21:44:23 -0600 Message-ID: <43AE14DE.9090302@exceedtech.net> Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2005 21:41:18 -0600 From: Dale User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20051210 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] mac/xmms-mac licence issue References: <200512250402.28309.carlo@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by robin.gentoo.org id jBP3iAX6029686 X-Archives-Salt: a14f2809-49aa-4401-8f5d-71a32e2c62e9 X-Archives-Hash: 428ab79e01746d2d06a3d0a28bd6f5a2 Bret Towe wrote: >On 12/24/05, Carsten Lohrke wrote: > =20 > >>This isn't politics, but copyright infringement on top of a ridiculous = license >>(when you want to see it as one) we had a short discussion=B9 about sev= eral >>months ago. >> =20 >> > >im sorry i fail to see how copyright infringement or a ridiculous licenc= e >matters when commiting a ebuild to portage just pick a licence if thats = the >issue warn the user and leave it at that > > =20 > >>Carsten >> >> >>[1] http://tinyurl.com/9oxgc >> >> >> >> =20 >> > > =20 > I'm not a dev or anything, not a lawyer either, bit I'll try to explain=20 it this way. You go buy a car at the dealership. Legal right? The car=20 was stolen and sold to the dealership by the thief. It doesn't matter=20 that the dealership or you didn't know the car was stolen. The crook is=20 guilty of stealing the car, the dealer is guilty of receiving/selling=20 stolen mechandise, you are guilty of buying/possesing it. All this when=20 you nor the dealer knew it was stolen to begin with. It is legally up=20 to you to make sure the vehicle is not stolen. If you don't, you pay=20 the price. So to apply to this situation. The program, according to the person=20 that put it on sourceforge from what I read, knows the license is not=20 legal but did it any. He even pretty much says so. So now unlike=20 above, you know the license is illegal. Well, the Gentoo people know=20 this too. They don't want to be the dealer above who could at the very=20 least end up in court with a lawyer billing them hundreds of dollars a=20 hour just to pass on something they know is illegal to begin with. You=20 could be sitting in the next court room defending yourself as well. =20 Just like the RIAA, you leave tracks and they know you have it. You get=20 it for possesion like above. Another way of looking at it is this. Let's say someone at Gentoo, like=20 the people that write portage for example, find their code or program=20 being distributed without their permission. If Gentoo does as you want,=20 they couldn't really say much could they? Since by doing that Gentoo=20 would be as bad as the guy that stole their code in portage. It's sort=20 of like stealing something from a thief. Who is he going to report it=20 too? He stole too. Of course, I say put them both in jail.=20 Write to whoever is in charge of the program and tell them to get the=20 license worked out so it is legal. I'm sure then the Gentoo people will=20 jump on board and put it in portage for you. Basically, what you are asking them to do is wrong. I'm not speaking=20 for them but don't hold your breath hoping they will help you break the=20 law OK. My $.02 worth which is not legal advise either by the way. Dale :-) Sticks foot in mouth so I will shut up. LOL --=20 To err is human, I'm most certainly human. I have four rigs: 1: Home built; Abit NF7 ver 2.0 w/ AMD 2500+ CPU, 1GB of ram and right n= ow two 80GB hard drives. 2: Home built; Iwill KK266-R w/ AMD 1GHz CPU, 256MBs of ram and a 4GB dr= ive. 3: Home built; Gigabyte GA-71XE4 w/ 800MHz CPU, 128MBs of ram and a 2.5G= B drive. 4: Compaq Proliant 6000 Server w/ Quad 200MHz CPUs, 128MBs of ram and a = 4.3GB SCSI drive. All run Gentoo Linux, all run folding. #1 is my desktop, 2, 3, and 4 are = set up as servers. =20 --=20 gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list