From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Eelvy-0004LB-Ay for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 04:08:38 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id jAN47UVU027418; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 04:07:30 GMT Received: from mta11.adelphia.net (mta11.adelphia.net [68.168.78.205]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jAN455Vh013252 for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 04:05:06 GMT Received: from [192.168.0.165] (really [68.168.137.100]) by mta11.adelphia.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.02 201-2131-123-102-20050715) with ESMTP id <20051123040504.PFPB15290.mta11.adelphia.net@[192.168.0.165]> for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 23:05:04 -0500 Message-ID: <4383E989.2090202@leetworks.com> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 23:01:13 -0500 From: Andrew Muraco User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051102) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Decision to remove stage1/2 from installation documentation References: <20051122144745.GR12982@mail.lieber.org> In-Reply-To: <20051122144745.GR12982@mail.lieber.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 5068bad9-b3ca-48c7-9e51-ba3ed6b1c16d X-Archives-Hash: 7372232b6ce4a55db5ff890f28e0233b Kurt Lieber wrote: >We have received *numerous* complaints from users about the decision to >remove stage 1 and 2 from the installation documentation. I realize it's >still available if users are willing to dig for it, but not all users do. > >In my years of monitoring www@gentoo.org, we've received the most >complaints about this decision than any other single decision. Is there a >way we can re-introduce the stages into the installation documentation, >perhaps with gigantic warnings saying, "for advanced users only" or "use at >your own risk"? > >--kurt > (I've read all of the comments up until now, but my response is not directed at any particular post.) Facts: (according to me, and what I've read) -The releng team DID make a good decision by making stage 3 default in the instructions. -The releng team _DID_NOT_ do a sufficient job of making the community aware of the changes BEFORE they occurred (I didn't know about this change until after it was done, and Gentoo.org is my home page, I read the GWN) -Stage 1 & 2 tar balls and instructions ARE available OPINION: - This change should be GLEP'd, as it effects everyone that installs Gentoo (to some degree, most do not suffer tho) - Stage 1 SHOULD continue to be released and maintained, instructions clearly stating risks and LACK of SUPPORT and easily visibility from the install docs (which it seems it does not have (according to posts), although, It is perfectly clear to me.) to the releng team: Good Decision, Bad Execution Thats whats leading to this entire reaction. ------------ Andrew www.leetworks.com tuxp3@leetworks.com -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list