From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1EeaXf-0004s2-Lk for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 15:58:48 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id jAMFw50M010207; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 15:58:05 GMT Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [134.68.220.30]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jAMFsX4f009837 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 15:54:33 GMT Received: from align.cns.ksu.edu ([129.130.0.165]) by smtp.gentoo.org with esmtpa (Exim 4.43) id 1EeaTZ-0001f5-Dx for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 15:54:33 +0000 Message-ID: <43833F38.50609@gentoo.org> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 09:54:32 -0600 From: Lance Albertson User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Macintosh/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Decision to remove stage1/2 from installation documentation References: <20051122144745.GR12982@mail.lieber.org> <1132672214.27288.14.camel@cgianelloni.nuvox.net> In-Reply-To: <1132672214.27288.14.camel@cgianelloni.nuvox.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.93.0.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigC7A1D7B1110A64BC5F232445" X-Archives-Salt: 6ce99733-f283-4373-a345-4efa61bfe773 X-Archives-Hash: aefc66bad9644980d4ef1b3d2bcdea51 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigC7A1D7B1110A64BC5F232445 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Chris Gianelloni wrote: > On Tue, 2005-11-22 at 14:47 +0000, Kurt Lieber wrote: > >>We have received *numerous* complaints from users about the decision to >>remove stage 1 and 2 from the installation documentation. I realize it's >>still available if users are willing to dig for it, but not all users do. >> >>In my years of monitoring www@gentoo.org, we've received the most >>complaints about this decision than any other single decision. Is there a >>way we can re-introduce the stages into the installation documentation, >>perhaps with gigantic warnings saying, "for advanced users only" or "use at >>your own risk"? > > > The problem is that we (releng) cannot possibly keep up with the number > of possible bugs that are being introduced via USE flags. It used to be > that if someone introduced a USE flag into *any* package that would show > up under "system" that they would make sure the damn thing would pass a > stage1->stage3 process. Now, we're receiving bugs and emails quite > often from problems where things like "hal" are being pulled in to > system, which is a major problem, as it requires a configured kernel, > which, of course, doesn't exist at this point. > > As I am now not only the Release Engineering lead, but also the x86 > Release Coordinator, I am fielding nearly 100% of these issues. > > I DO NOT HAVE THE TIME TO DO OTHER PEOPLE'S QA FOR THEM. If you are that overworked, perhaps you should find more people to help with releng and the duties you have? I've been in a similar position as yourself where its hard to find good quality folks that stick around, and then you get used to doing everything yourself. I haven't seen any emails asking for help or people for releng. This is the first I've heard of your troubles with not having adequate time for all the duties you do yourself. If you need help, please ask for it and at least try and get some of that load off of you so that we don't take things out of gentoo simply because of the lack of time. Cheers- -- Lance Albertson Gentoo Infrastructure | Operations Manager --- GPG Public Key: Key fingerprint: 0423 92F3 544A 1282 5AB1 4D07 416F A15D 27F4 B742 ramereth/irc.freenode.net --------------enigC7A1D7B1110A64BC5F232445 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFDgz84QW+hXSf0t0IRAmM7AKDvr8CbzVddcRzrdRDBMtHMIHXYYACfU/BZ FSURITz9jqRVqvNTOAYWzgI= =5xZq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigC7A1D7B1110A64BC5F232445-- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list