From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1EeZYu-00085c-Sn for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:56:01 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id jAMEtGxd004130; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:55:16 GMT Received: from lennier.cc.vt.edu (lennier.cc.vt.edu [198.82.162.213]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jAMErVJ1019952 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:53:31 GMT Received: from vivi.cc.vt.edu (IDENT:mirapoint@evil-vivi.cc.vt.edu [10.1.1.12]) by lennier.cc.vt.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id jAMErUSP014017 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 09:53:30 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.2] (blacksburg-bsr1-69-170-32-128.chvlva.adelphia.net [69.170.32.128]) by vivi.cc.vt.edu (MOS 3.6.4-CR) with ESMTP id EPD17931 (AUTH spbecker); Tue, 22 Nov 2005 09:53:26 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <438330E1.2000804@gentoo.org> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 09:53:21 -0500 From: "Stephen P. Becker" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051027) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Decision to remove stage1/2 from installation documentation References: <20051122144745.GR12982@mail.lieber.org> In-Reply-To: <20051122144745.GR12982@mail.lieber.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 62d0ef09-5965-4210-9f82-9e55a88d1cb7 X-Archives-Hash: 0f27f6db7a58a7223b66033188e86251 Kurt Lieber wrote: > We have received *numerous* complaints from users about the decision to > remove stage 1 and 2 from the installation documentation. I realize it's > still available if users are willing to dig for it, but not all users do. > > In my years of monitoring www@gentoo.org, we've received the most > complaints about this decision than any other single decision. Is there a > way we can re-introduce the stages into the installation documentation, > perhaps with gigantic warnings saying, "for advanced users only" or "use at > your own risk"? Well, if we could educate the users that stage2 tarballs are totally pointless, and that running bootstrap.sh followed by emerge -e system from a stage3 is pretty much *exactly* the same as starting a stage1 from scratch... To me, the email from that user sounds like the typical vocal minority of users who make "screw common sense in favor of choice" complaints whenever we change something for the better. -Steve -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list