[gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council meeting Tuesday, November 15th, 20:00 UTC

[gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council meeting Tuesday, November 15th, 20:00 UTC

[Thierry Carrez]

The November Gentoo Council meeting will be held on #gentoo-council next
week, Tuesday, November 15th, 20:00 UTC, presided by Seemant Kulleen.

The deadline for submitting items for the meeting agenda is set to
Sunday, November 13th, 20:00 UTC.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council meeting Tuesday, November 15th, 20:00 UTC

[Ciaran McCreesh]

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On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 17:30:02 +0100 Thierry Carrez <koon@gentoo.org>
wrote:
| The November Gentoo Council meeting will be held on #gentoo-council
| next week, Tuesday, November 15th, 20:00 UTC, presided by Seemant
| Kulleen.
| 
| The deadline for submitting items for the meeting agenda is set to
| Sunday, November 13th, 20:00 UTC.

Assuming there aren't any further comments between now and then, I'd
like GLEP 34 (GLEP File Hosting) to be approved please.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council meeting Tuesday, November 15th, 20:00 UTC

[Daniel Ostrow]

On Tue, 2005-11-08 at 17:57 +0000, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Tue, 08 Nov 2005 17:30:02 +0100 Thierry Carrez <koon@gentoo.org>
> wrote:
> | The November Gentoo Council meeting will be held on #gentoo-council
> | next week, Tuesday, November 15th, 20:00 UTC, presided by Seemant
> | Kulleen.
> | 
> | The deadline for submitting items for the meeting agenda is set to
> | Sunday, November 13th, 20:00 UTC.
> 
> Assuming there aren't any further comments between now and then, I'd
> like GLEP 34 (GLEP File Hosting) to be approved please.
> 

I assume you meant 43 yes?

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council meeting Tuesday, November 15th, 20:00 UTC

[Ciaran McCreesh]

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On Tue, 8 Nov 2005 17:57:54 +0000 Ciaran McCreesh <ciaranm@gentoo.org>
wrote:
| Assuming there aren't any further comments between now and then, I'd
| like GLEP 34 (GLEP File Hosting) to be approved please.

No, 43. Not 34. Bleh.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council meeting Tuesday, November 15th, 20:00 UTC

[Stuart Herbert]

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On Tue, 2005-11-08 at 17:30 +0100, Thierry Carrez wrote:
> The November Gentoo Council meeting will be held on #gentoo-council next
> week, Tuesday, November 15th, 20:00 UTC, presided by Seemant Kulleen.
> 
> The deadline for submitting items for the meeting agenda is set to
> Sunday, November 13th, 20:00 UTC.

Where will the agenda be posted before the meeting?

Best regards,
Stu
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council meeting Tuesday, November 15th, 20:00 UTC

[Thierry Carrez]

Stuart Herbert wrote:

>>The deadline for submitting items for the meeting agenda is set to
>>Sunday, November 13th, 20:00 UTC.
> 
> Where will the agenda be posted before the meeting?

The agenda is generally posted by the chairman after the deadline, on
both gentoo-council and gentoo-dev.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council meeting Tuesday, November 15th, 20:00 UTC

[Stuart Herbert]

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On Wed, 2005-11-09 at 10:11 +0100, Thierry Carrez wrote:
> The agenda is generally posted by the chairman after the deadline, on
> both gentoo-council and gentoo-dev.

Would it be possible to establish a reliable practice on this?  I think
"Generally" means "sometimes, but not always".  Could we have "always"
please instead?

Would it be possible to ensure that the agenda is posted a guaranteed
minimum period of time in advance?  There are large parts of the day
when it's not possible for me to check my Gentoo email.  I think it
would be reasonable to post the agenda no less than 24 hours in advance
of each meeting.

Many thanks,
Stu
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[gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo Council meeting Tuesday, November 15th, 20:00 UTC

[Duncan]

Stuart Herbert posted <1131658817.8511.70.camel@mogheiden.gnqs.org>,
excerpted below,  on Thu, 10 Nov 2005 21:40:17 +0000:

> On Wed, 2005-11-09 at 10:11 +0100, Thierry Carrez wrote:
>> The agenda is generally posted by the chairman after the deadline, on
>> both gentoo-council and gentoo-dev.
> 
> Would it be possible to establish a reliable practice on this?  I think
> "Generally" means "sometimes, but not always".  Could we have "always"
> please instead?

Well. given that there's been only one Council meeting, so far, and the
rules are sort of being made as points come up that need addressed, I'd
say that "generally" would mean "it happened the first time, and it's
reasonable to expect something similar to continue, tho I don't believe
there's a specific rule saying it has to."

I believe a reliable practice is the target, but with only one meeting,
there simply hasn't been enough "practice" yet to determine "reliable". =8^)

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Gentoo Council meeting Tuesday, November 15th, 20:00 UTC

[Stuart Herbert]

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On Thu, 2005-11-10 at 15:18 -0700, Duncan wrote:
> Well. given that there's been only one Council meeting, so far, and the
> rules are sort of being made as points come up that need addressed, 

Hrm.  According to [1], there has been two meetings so far.  There are
no agendas for these meetings on that page tho :(

> I believe a reliable practice is the target, but with only one meeting,
> there simply hasn't been enough "practice" yet to determine "reliable". =8^)

That's why I'm asking ;-)

[1] http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/index.xml

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council meeting Tuesday, November 15th, 20:00 UTC

[Homer Parker]

On Tue, 2005-11-08 at 17:30 +0100, Thierry Carrez wrote:
> The November Gentoo Council meeting will be held on #gentoo-council next
> week, Tuesday, November 15th, 20:00 UTC, presided by Seemant Kulleen.
> 
> The deadline for submitting items for the meeting agenda is set to
> Sunday, November 13th, 20:00 UTC.

	Just want to be sure that GLEP41 is on the list. 

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council meeting Tuesday, November 15th, 20:00 UTC

[Grant Goodyear]

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Ciaran McCreesh wrote: [Tue Nov 08 2005, 12:04:51PM CST]
> On Tue, 8 Nov 2005 17:57:54 +0000 Ciaran McCreesh <ciaranm@gentoo.org>
> wrote:
> | Assuming there aren't any further comments between now and then, I'd
> | like GLEP 34 (GLEP File Hosting) to be approved please.
> 
> No, 43. Not 34. Bleh.

Whoops, 43 just requires local approval, since it isn't really
cross-project, so I've approved it (as the lead GLEP editor).

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council meeting Tuesday, November 15th, 20:00 UTC

[Grant Goodyear]

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Homer Parker wrote: [Fri Nov 11 2005, 08:09:11PM CST]
> 	Just want to be sure that GLEP41 is on the list. 

GLEP 41 was rejected by the council at the last meeting, pending a
rewrite that addressed the issues brought up at that meeting:

http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/meeting-logs/20051013.txt

According to CVS, the GLEP hasn't been updated since the last meeting,
so I'm assuming that the GLEP's authors aren't ready yet.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council meeting Tuesday, November 15th, 20:00 UTC

[Homer Parker]

On Sun, 2005-11-13 at 14:29 -0600, Grant Goodyear wrote:
> Homer Parker wrote: [Fri Nov 11 2005, 08:09:11PM CST]
> > 	Just want to be sure that GLEP41 is on the list. 
> 
> GLEP 41 was rejected by the council at the last meeting, pending a
> rewrite that addressed the issues brought up at that meeting:
> 
> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/meeting-logs/20051013.txt
> 
> According to CVS, the GLEP hasn't been updated since the last meeting,
> so I'm assuming that the GLEP's authors aren't ready yet.
> 
> -g2boojum-

	I uploaded it the end of last week. Looks to be updated on the web
site.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council meeting Tuesday, November 15th, 20:00 UTC

[Ciaran McCreesh]

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On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:02:43 -0600 Homer Parker <hparker@gentoo.org>
wrote:
| 	I uploaded it the end of last week. Looks to be updated on
| the web site.

Hrm, but you didn't post it to -dev for discussion?

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council meeting Tuesday, November 15th, 20:00 UTC

[Homer Parker]

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On Mon, 2005-11-14 at 18:11 +0000, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:02:43 -0600 Homer Parker <hparker@gentoo.org>
> wrote:
> | 	I uploaded it the end of last week. Looks to be updated on
> | the web site.
> 
> Hrm, but you didn't post it to -dev for discussion?

	If you wish, here it is. Made the changes the council asked for is all.

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GLEP: 41
Title: Making Arch Testers official Gentoo Staff
Version: $Revision: 1.3 $
Last-Modified: $Date: 2005/11/11 18:42:27 $
Author:	Simon Stelling <blubb@gentoo.org>,
Status: Draft
Type: Standards Track
Content-Type: text/x-rst
Created: 7-Sep-2005
Post-History: 15-Sep-2005

Abstract
========

Arch Testers should be treated as official Gentoo staff.


Motivation
==========

Since Mike Doty (kingtaco) created an Arch Tester (AT) project in January 2005
to reduce the developer's load and the amount of open keywording bugs for the
amd64 porting team, many users have volunteered to become ATs. They are doing
a fair share of everyday's work to keep the amd64 and ppc trees up to date.
While they spent many hours and even had to pass the staff quiz, they are
currently not recognized as official members of Gentoo.


Specification
=============

ATs should basically be treated as staff. This includes the following changes
to the current situation:

- Get a @(subdomain_to_be_determined).gentoo.org email address. The email
  address will just be an alias, and will be forwarded to their @gentoo.org
  address if they go on to become a Gentoo developer.
- Get read-only access to the gentoo-x86 repository. This doesn't have to be
  individual accounts, a single account, without a shell, with all of their 
  keys will be sufficiant.

There will be a 30 day probationary/mentoring period for new ATs.The lead AT/HT
for arch/herd will be responsible for the mentoring period. If arch/herd
doesn't have a Lead AT/HT, then either the arch/herd lead or the Strategic AT
Lead will be responsible. The Lead AT is a seasoned developer that watches for talent,
recruits and mentors ATs. Additionally, the mentoring period should be shortened 
to a minimum of two weeks if an AT wants to take the end quiz to become a developer, 
assuming he has been AT for at least two weeks. The amd64 porting team has handled 
situations like this for a while and only made positive experiences.

Also, the idea of an arch tester as a trustworthy user who is able to test
critical changes (such as hard masked software branches), could be expanded
to other herds. These 'ATs' wouldn't be called arch testers as the 'arch' is
irritating, instead, herd tester (HT) could be used.

As arch testers (and herd testers) become official staff, they should be
handled by DevRel.

Since ATs don't want to have to handle the big 'communication overhead'
normally, they won't be subscribed to the gentoo-core mailing list and won't
be able to vote.


Backwards Compatibility
=======================

All current active arch testers should be migrated.


Copyright
=========

This document has been placed in the public domain.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council meeting Tuesday, November 15th, 20:00 UTC

[Lance Albertson]

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Homer Parker wrote:
> On Mon, 2005-11-14 at 18:11 +0000, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> 
>>On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:02:43 -0600 Homer Parker <hparker@gentoo.org>
>>wrote:
>>| 	I uploaded it the end of last week. Looks to be updated on
>>| the web site.
>>
>>Hrm, but you didn't post it to -dev for discussion?
> 
> 
> 	If you wish, here it is. Made the changes the council asked for is all.

Sending it out a day before the meeting isn't exactly a good thing. I'd
rather wait to look through those details instead of getting them a day
before they vote on them.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council meeting Tuesday, November 15th, 20:00 UTC

[Homer Parker]

On Mon, 2005-11-14 at 13:06 -0600, Lance Albertson wrote:
> Sending it out a day before the meeting isn't exactly a good thing.
> I'd
> rather wait to look through those details instead of getting them a
> day
> before they vote on them.

	I got busy and forgot to post it to the list. If it needs to wait till
next month, so be it.

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