From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1EXqhB-0007ZU-2B for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 04 Nov 2005 01:48:45 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id jA41kliq004865; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 01:46:47 GMT Received: from lennier.cc.vt.edu (lennier.cc.vt.edu [198.82.162.213]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jA41hvYB025088 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 01:43:58 GMT Received: from zidane.cc.vt.edu (IDENT:mirapoint@evil-zidane.cc.vt.edu [10.1.1.13]) by lennier.cc.vt.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id jA41hv4H010484 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 20:43:57 -0500 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (blacksburg-bsr1-69-170-32-128.chvlva.adelphia.net [69.170.32.128]) by zidane.cc.vt.edu (MOS 3.6.4-CR) with ESMTP id ELW47758 (AUTH spbecker); Thu, 3 Nov 2005 20:43:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <436ABCD5.2060107@gentoo.org> Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 20:43:49 -0500 From: "Stephen P. Becker" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (Windows/20040913) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP ??: Critical News Reporting References: <20051101015125.1cc45eb4@snowdrop.home> <200511011722.29840.jkt@gentoo.org> <20051101182506.4dd701f6@snowdrop.home> <436A1576.5070909@ieee.org> <20051103191642.1fbdbd9d@snowdrop.home> <436AAB79.4020700@ieee.org> <20051104004247.0ff50ff0@snowdrop.home> <436AB342.9040606@ieee.org> <20051104011106.780b46bb@snowdrop.home> <436AB84B.4010406@ieee.org> In-Reply-To: <436AB84B.4010406@ieee.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 4b3bb0cc-ea23-4767-8124-3052c13f99c7 X-Archives-Hash: d144315319ff448b60a6ed24abae6b73 > *ALL* of the official docs are GuideXML; Gentoo *expects* users to have > a web browser by default. Otherwise a vast majority of users would never > get Gentoo installed in the first place. The "lightweight" requirement > appears to just be your way of subverting the current documentation > standards (because of your XML hatred). How about getting some facts straight before running your mouth? Gentoo most certainly does not expect users to have a web browser to install. The last time I actually installed on x86 (which was some time ago admittedly), there was a .txt version of the install guide on the livecd. Even then, the web browser you are speaking of runs directly off the livecd. So, what happens when there is critical news to be read during the install phase inside the chroot, but no web browser is yet installed? Are you suggesting we bloat stage1 and stage2 with some sort of XML parser so that the user can read news without having to kill the emerge and read the news outside the chroot? I think you would have a seriously hard time convincing the release folks this is a good idea. Furthermore, it is not possible to include any sort of XML parser with installers for certain arches which use very minimal netboots for the default installation method. So really, your complaints about the "lightweight" requirement appears to just be a way of subverting attention away from the real reasons it is a good idea, and towards maintaining a flamewar with ciaran that you will surely lose. -Steve -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list