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From: "Stephen P. Becker" <geoman@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP ??: Critical News Reporting
Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 20:43:49 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <436ABCD5.2060107@gentoo.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <436AB84B.4010406@ieee.org>

> *ALL* of the official docs are GuideXML; Gentoo *expects* users to have
> a web browser by default. Otherwise a vast majority of users would never
> get Gentoo installed in the first place. The "lightweight" requirement
> appears to just be your way of subverting the current documentation
> standards (because of your XML hatred).

How about getting some facts straight before running your mouth?  Gentoo 
most certainly does not expect users to have a web browser to install. 
The last time I actually installed on x86 (which was some time ago 
admittedly), there was a .txt version of the install guide on the livecd.

Even then, the web browser you are speaking of runs directly off the 
livecd.  So, what happens when there is critical news to be read during 
the install phase inside the chroot, but no web browser is yet 
installed?  Are you suggesting we bloat stage1 and stage2 with some sort 
of XML parser so that the user can read news without having to kill the 
emerge and read the news outside the chroot?  I think you would have a 
seriously hard time convincing the release folks this is a good idea.

Furthermore, it is not possible to include any sort of XML parser with 
installers for certain arches which use very minimal netboots for the 
default installation method.  So really, your complaints about the 
"lightweight" requirement appears to just be a way of subverting 
attention away from the real reasons it is a good idea, and towards 
maintaining a flamewar with ciaran that you will surely lose.

-Steve

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-11-04  1:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 144+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-11-01  1:51 [gentoo-dev] GLEP ??: Critical News Reporting Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-01  2:08 ` [gentoo-dev] " Dan Meltzer
2005-11-01  2:19   ` Brian Harring
2005-11-01  2:20   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-01  2:25     ` Dan Meltzer
2005-11-01  2:37       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-01  3:02       ` Alec Warner
2005-11-01  3:21         ` pclouds
2005-11-01  2:16 ` [gentoo-dev] " Brian Harring
2005-11-01  2:24   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-01  2:39     ` Brian Harring
2005-11-01  8:25 ` Wernfried Haas
2005-11-01 11:56   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-01  9:21 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2005-11-01 12:21   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-01 10:00 ` [gentoo-dev] " Thierry Carrez
2005-11-01 10:45   ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2005-11-01 12:13     ` Georgi Georgiev
2005-11-01 12:20       ` [gentoo-dev] " Dan Meltzer
2005-11-01 11:23   ` [gentoo-dev] " John Myers
2005-11-01 11:58   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-01 12:16     ` Thierry Carrez
2005-11-01 12:26       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-01 12:39         ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2005-11-01 12:48           ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-01 13:32             ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2005-11-01 18:18               ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-04  0:45                 ` Nathan L. Adams
2005-11-04  0:56                   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-04  1:05                     ` Nathan L. Adams
2005-11-04  1:19                       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-04  1:25                         ` Nathan L. Adams
2005-11-06 19:41                   ` [gentoo-dev] " R Hill
2005-11-01 13:34             ` [gentoo-dev] " Alec Warner
2005-11-01 13:43               ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-01 14:07           ` Re[2]: " Paul de Vrieze
2005-11-02 20:49           ` Eldad Zack
2005-11-01 14:38         ` Chris Gianelloni
2005-11-04  0:54           ` Nathan L. Adams
2005-11-01 13:54 ` Andrej Kacian
2005-11-01 14:23   ` Christian Birchinger
2005-11-01 18:18   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-01 19:20     ` Andrej Kacian
2005-11-01 19:36       ` Alec Joseph Warner
2005-11-01 19:44       ` Grant Goodyear
2005-11-01 20:36         ` Andrej Kacian
2005-11-01 14:16 ` Paul de Vrieze
2005-11-01 18:26   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-01 16:22 ` Jan Kundrát
2005-11-01 18:25   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-01 21:57     ` Jan Kundrát
2005-11-01 22:16       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-02  1:29         ` Brian Harring
2005-11-02  0:52           ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-02 11:26           ` Michiel de Bruijne
2005-11-02 14:19           ` Chris Gianelloni
2005-11-02 18:33         ` Jan Kundrát
2005-11-02 22:34           ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-03  9:59             ` Jan Kundrát
2005-11-04 14:26             ` Xavier Neys
2005-11-04 18:39               ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-04 21:30                 ` Jan Kundrát
2005-11-04 21:33                   ` Dan Meltzer
2005-11-05  0:13                 ` Xavier Neys
2005-11-04 18:59               ` Danny van Dyk
2005-11-05  0:11                 ` Xavier Neys
2005-11-05  1:30                   ` Danny van Dyk
2005-11-03 13:54         ` Nathan L. Adams
2005-11-03 14:24           ` pclouds
2005-11-03 13:49     ` Nathan L. Adams
2005-11-03 19:16       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-04  0:29         ` Nathan L. Adams
2005-11-04  0:42           ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-04  1:02             ` Nathan L. Adams
2005-11-04  1:11               ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-04  1:24                 ` Nathan L. Adams
2005-11-04  1:31                   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-04  1:36                     ` Nathan L. Adams
2005-11-04  1:46                       ` Stephen P. Becker
2005-11-04  1:53                         ` Nathan L. Adams
2005-11-04  2:30                           ` Luis F. Araujo
2005-11-04 21:37                             ` Jan Kundrát
2005-11-04  1:48                       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-04  1:55                         ` Nathan L. Adams
2005-11-04  3:06                           ` Qian Qiao
2005-11-04  9:06                       ` Paul de Vrieze
2005-11-04 14:21                         ` Chris Gianelloni
2005-11-04 14:04                       ` Chris Gianelloni
2005-11-04 16:05                         ` Nathan L. Adams
2005-11-04 16:46                           ` Chris Gianelloni
2005-11-04 17:08                             ` Nathan L. Adams
2005-11-04 17:29                               ` Daniel Ostrow
2005-11-04 17:29                               ` Jon Portnoy
2005-11-08  3:16                               ` Luca Barbato
2005-11-10 20:29                       ` Stuart Herbert
2005-11-04  1:33                   ` Brian Harring
2005-11-04  1:41                     ` Nathan L. Adams
2005-11-04  1:51                       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-04  1:43                     ` Nathan L. Adams
2005-11-04  9:12                       ` Paul de Vrieze
2005-11-04 12:32                       ` Dan Meltzer
2005-11-04 13:34                         ` Nathan L. Adams
2005-11-04 14:03                     ` Chris Gianelloni
2005-11-04  1:43                   ` Stephen P. Becker [this message]
2005-11-04  1:52                     ` Nathan L. Adams
2005-11-04  9:15                       ` Paul de Vrieze
2005-11-04 14:07                     ` Chris Gianelloni
2005-11-04  1:50                   ` Lance Albertson
2005-11-04  5:30                     ` Nathan L. Adams
2005-11-04 21:50                     ` Jan Kundrát
2005-11-06 22:11                       ` Marius Mauch
2005-11-04  9:02                   ` Paul de Vrieze
2005-11-04 13:38                     ` Nathan L. Adams
2005-11-04 14:05                       ` Paul de Vrieze
2005-11-04 15:55                         ` Nathan L. Adams
2005-11-07 10:24                           ` Paul de Vrieze
2005-11-04 14:19                     ` Chris Gianelloni
2005-11-04 14:02                   ` Chris Gianelloni
2005-11-04 15:58                     ` Nathan L. Adams
2005-11-04 16:41                       ` Chris Gianelloni
2005-11-04 16:57                         ` Nathan L. Adams
2005-11-04 17:07                           ` Lance Albertson
2005-11-04 17:15                             ` Nathan L. Adams
2005-11-04  2:08               ` Grant Goodyear
2005-11-04  2:18                 ` Lance Albertson
2005-11-04  5:44                 ` Nathan L. Adams
2005-11-04  8:32                   ` John Myers
2005-11-04  9:33                     ` Paul de Vrieze
2005-11-04 10:15                       ` Thierry Carrez
2005-11-04 13:18                         ` Marius Mauch
2005-11-04 13:46                         ` Nathan L. Adams
2005-11-04 14:27                         ` Xavier Neys
2005-11-04 16:08                           ` Nathan L. Adams
2005-11-04  8:21             ` Wernfried Haas
2005-11-04  9:55           ` Tres Melton
2005-11-04 16:35       ` Danny van Dyk
2005-11-04 16:52         ` Grobian
2005-11-04 17:10           ` Nathan L. Adams
2005-11-01 19:34 ` Stuart Herbert
2005-11-04 14:37 ` Lance Albertson
2005-11-04 18:48   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-04 19:12     ` Lance Albertson
2005-11-04 20:10       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-04 22:00     ` Jan Kundrát

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