From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EGzqh-0006C9-8O for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sun, 18 Sep 2005 14:08:55 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id j8IE2lQ1015531; Sun, 18 Sep 2005 14:02:47 GMT Received: from egr.msu.edu (jeeves.egr.msu.edu [35.9.37.127]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id j8IE0IxV029741 for ; Sun, 18 Sep 2005 14:00:19 GMT Received: from [207.72.142.225] (207-72-142-225.dovers_res_net.spartan-net.net [207.72.142.225] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by egr.msu.edu (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j8IE5ji4019008 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 18 Sep 2005 10:05:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <432D743C.7090103@egr.msu.edu> Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2005 10:05:48 -0400 From: Alec Warner User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (X11/20050806) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] first council meeting References: <1126897217.7832.49.camel@Memoria.anyarch.net> <200509171617.10869.vapier@gentoo.org> <20050918064637.GB18094@superlupo.rechner> <20050918133232.3e042d20@snowdrop.home> <20050918130112.GA4041@superlupo.rechner> In-Reply-To: <20050918130112.GA4041@superlupo.rechner> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.90.2.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: fd48ebdb-8bfc-453b-80f8-72e30d729cb9 X-Archives-Hash: b67e8f385bec00b491d550cdc8606161 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Wernfried Haas wrote: > On Sun, Sep 18, 2005 at 01:32:32PM +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > >>Uhm. That's current policy and has been current policy for several >>years. No GLEP needed. > > > If that's currenty policy, why does the handbook say something quite > different then? Does it need to be fixed? > > If so, i truly don't understand what ~arch should be about in the > first place - what use is a ~arch system for testing if everything in > there just works and stuff to be tested is p.masked? > > cheers, > Wernfried > The point being that ~arch is generally for EBUILD testing, not package testing. This is bad because some PACKAGES need lots of testing but don't get it because they are in p.mask ( because the PACKAGE is not stable ). Some people have begun putting unstable PACKAGES in ~arch, instead of in p.mask because p.mask does not get enough testing done, so things rot in p.mask forever. For larger packages ( apache, mysql, gnome ) this system works fine because upstream does a lot of testing. Since users shy away from p.mask ( things in there can have security issues for example ) a new PACKAGE testing area was proposed. Packages in this area would need PACKAGE testing. Users would know that packages with security issues would not be in this new testing area. Personally I like Ciaran's wording of the levels. ~arch - Canidate for Stable on Arch arch - Stable on Arch You wouldn't suggest a program you hadn't tested as a Canidate for Stable. That would be utterly retarded. You've tested it thoroughly(sp?) and it seems to work well for you. You have had other developers in your herd test it and they also encounter no problems. Thus it enters ~arch because you cannot find anything wrong with the package and you think it's stable. If the users find a huge bug you can regress the ~arch back to the testing layer ( be it p.mask or something new ) and fix the bug. If no one files a bug for 30 days have an AT test it and then mark it stable. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQIVAwUBQy10O2zglR5RwbyYAQLBcQ/9FPBNN6N2GmGvBpT1T2fnSnPTPiyFais5 4nSedhgi2uwROlCIOCdZevVEGLQbomwuOklWjjHhZK5TRYAmiqnqlSEscn881L10 KqRxTj7ctpBC7WExxvjpCOto4WYos+7jIe9n3mCXCeptv4R4/WBGTIXeHFqij8Mq ii7tL2fxKR1iCzPJ2Hf596Ip6FeMcL5HPpiZ9TEBrx4Bl47OH42USMKVHUODDV4G dDlGQKPuItubFsv8D4GwEIEFxWCxbIDj5gvTk3Y3g9gVc07sbFNzcO3RJKaN8zff msDGONSWXZ4dNuYbPwrIs8IC9VWEctVmHxy3iB/HzIlnAoRIq5+an3QDuy93JlCN TFmyWhf6MGkR4fovjo+zZ4FC4vGy8jYRuptRZpx2VLSX8fH4ishkZ/dJLOyZsRKC 5irvdz7l9y8q5Ge4ZEd/EkdOaYOAK7ZqxsbydKEImoYwY6yLRwnj+LbG3BO9ukUF 5jxyec+X1wWANaxwiWKZ2+WzXpt/QZUQo+r7tLNKUMOs9MZXIX5yTaaEqSNvCGhf QHTlRjKOX9Z1YxD2u/mhv9UNYmX/gb9LUz/q9rzVUjHXm7CFB4aQiyGhL+HgEqrW 0h/OCHyShYOzG418Dc1lrJff5vVz5O0u5caIhEzn5Z6iHr0EInaqzr0DCtoFUCKa uzurfVUN5lQ= =GI+1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list