From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (unknown [208.92.234.80]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 109BF15802E for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2024 22:55:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id EAA2AE2B1C; Tue, 25 Jun 2024 22:55:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (mail.gentoo.org [IPv6:2001:470:ea4a:1:5054:ff:fec7:86e4]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3B553E2B18 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 2024 22:55:07 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <431e4a0e456bde566be0076515f3fdc126263f00.camel@gentoo.org> Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Arch Status and Future Plans From: James Le Cuirot To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2024 23:55:01 +0100 In-Reply-To: <75654daa-c5fc-45c8-a104-fae43b9ca490@gentoo.org> References: <75654daa-c5fc-45c8-a104-fae43b9ca490@gentoo.org> Autocrypt: addr=chewi@gentoo.org; 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micalg="pgp-sha256"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-HYUd7qJ79DdfFtAZvsrS" User-Agent: Evolution 3.52.2 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Archives-Salt: c89843d4-c4a0-4924-8920-719dc65c9659 X-Archives-Hash: 9a779bf75b1b56ff2a6fabcf3b39364f --=-HYUd7qJ79DdfFtAZvsrS Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 2024-06-25 at 20:33 +0300, Arthur Zamarin wrote: > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D x86 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >=20 > Stable 32-bit arch. I'll be honest, I don't believe at all this should > be stable arch anymore. I propose making it dev arch, and mass-dekeyword > stuff we got because of inertia. This arch is close to HW die. (let's > not talk about i486 vs i686). I don't use stable, so I'm biased, but I think this is long overdue. > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ppc =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >=20 > Stable 32-bit arch. Becoming harder and harder with time, with more > broken stuff (which I just destable/dekeyword). >=20 > I propose we convert it into dev arch status, not stable. If folks > disagree, once again mass-dekeyword. I'm inclined to kill it. I actively used hardware once upon a time, but tha= t was nearly 20 years ago. When I dropped Java support for it around 2016ish,= I literally one found user. I've never heard of one since. > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D ppc64 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >=20 > Stable 64-bit arch. So, this is a mess of an arch. Consists of both > ppc64ul (big-endian) and ppc64le (little-endian). The latter is much > better supported by upstream. The profiles inheritance inside is a mess > (we even added running 32 userspace on 64 bit kernel, called ppc64/32ul > - just why?). We have devboxes for both BE and LE, so mostly fine. The > profile inheritance is the messiest I've even seen. >=20 > I would hope to split this arch into the two endianness, but I suspect > nobody has the energy to do it. Oh well. >=20 > Next proposal is to cleanup profiles: remove the ppc64/32ul, cleanup > profile inheritance, cleanup the masks and unmasks, and continue with > both ppc64ul & ppc64le supported. I wasn't really in favour of having LE and BE under the same keyword, but I was overruled. My fears have largely proven true. We have seen a lot of iss= ues around graphical stuff. Sure, we've handled it in profiles, but it is a pai= n. > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D m68k =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >=20 > Exp arch, works ? maybe? I've no idea. Let's not touch :) It's not too bad and generally works. I'm a little slow on keywording reque= sts sometimes, but I mostly keep up. I have thought about promoting it from exp= to dev now that the tree is in a better state than it was, but there is still some work to do. 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