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* [gentoo-dev] Keys and words: ways to fail your team
@ 2005-06-28 22:41 Ilya A. Volynets-Evenbakh
  2005-06-28 23:09 ` Peter Johanson
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Ilya A. Volynets-Evenbakh @ 2005-06-28 22:41 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-dev

Comrades!

Once more, I come before you with sad tidings. Evil anti-gentoo
conspirators are plotting to destroy our
wonderful distribution. Yet again they tried to subvert quality and
integrity of our distribution by falsely
claiming that certain packages build and run *gasp* stable *gasp* on
platforms said saboteurs apparently
do not even have access to.

This time many packages in dev-dotnet were marked testing / stable on
all arches, but thanks to the
valiant struggles of our tireless arch teams, at least SPARC and MIPS
have now been rescued from the
iniquity of the apostate traitors on the x86 monoarchist payroll. Other
arches have also been warned, and
hopefully will be in time to save themselves, or at least recover the
damages in timely manner.

Comrades!

For how long will we tolerate these wreckers among us? How much more
patience shall we show?
It is about time to stop such behavior once and for all! Let us join
against the forces of evil and deal
it a crushing defeat!

    Death to vermin!

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* Re: [gentoo-dev] Keys and words: ways to fail your team
  2005-06-28 22:41 [gentoo-dev] Keys and words: ways to fail your team Ilya A. Volynets-Evenbakh
@ 2005-06-28 23:09 ` Peter Johanson
  2005-06-28 23:30   ` Ilya A. Volynets-Evenbakh
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Peter Johanson @ 2005-06-28 23:09 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-dev

On Tue, Jun 28, 2005 at 03:41:37PM -0700, Ilya A. Volynets-Evenbakh wrote:
> Comrades!
> 
> Once more, I come before you with sad tidings. Evil anti-gentoo
> conspirators are plotting to destroy our
> wonderful distribution. Yet again they tried to subvert quality and
> integrity of our distribution by falsely
> claiming that certain packages build and run *gasp* stable *gasp* on
> platforms said saboteurs apparently
> do not even have access to.
> 
> This time many packages in dev-dotnet were marked testing / stable on
> all arches, but thanks to the
> valiant struggles of our tireless arch teams, at least SPARC and MIPS
> have now been rescued from the
> iniquity of the apostate traitors on the x86 monoarchist payroll. Other
> arches have also been warned, and
> hopefully will be in time to save themselves, or at least recover the
> damages in timely manner.
> 
> Comrades!
> 
> For how long will we tolerate these wreckers among us? How much more
> patience shall we show?
> It is about time to stop such behavior once and for all! Let us join
> against the forces of evil and deal
> it a crushing defeat!
> 
>     Death to vermin!

I know this is intended to be tongue in cheek, but I have a dev in the
dotnet herd who's really pretty upset right now as a result of such
apparently scathing comments accusing him of being an evil conspirator,
a wrecker, and traitor, when it wasn't even *him* who introduced the
keywords in question, he did a by the book bump moving arch -> ~arch for
all arches listed in keywords.

I understand that this is a consistent problem, and that we constantly
have to deal with breakages like this, but please don't send emails
like this with so many accusations without at least talking to the herd
lead, or viewing CVS history first.

I like dealing with the mess of pissed off and enflamed developers as
much as the arch teams like dealing with bad QA, so next time, please
use at least a *little* subtlty before blowing things up.

Anyway, I'm glad all the arch teams, who are the one's that never screw
up and save us all, are fixing things.

</sarcasm>

-pete


> 
> -- 
> gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
> 

-- 
Peter Johanson
<latexer@gentoo.org>
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] Keys and words: ways to fail your team
  2005-06-28 23:09 ` Peter Johanson
@ 2005-06-28 23:30   ` Ilya A. Volynets-Evenbakh
  2005-06-29  9:45     ` Chris Bainbridge
  2005-06-29 14:02     ` Chris Gianelloni
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Ilya A. Volynets-Evenbakh @ 2005-06-28 23:30 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-dev

Peter Johanson wrote:

>I know this is intended to be tongue in cheek,
>
Good.

> but I have a dev in the
>dotnet herd who's really pretty upset right now as a result of such
>apparently scathing comments accusing him of being an evil conspirator,
>a wrecker, and traitor, when it wasn't even *him* who introduced the
>keywords in question, he did a by the book bump moving arch -> ~arch for
>all arches listed in keywords.
>  
>
Book in question sort of presumes that ones who change keywords
*personally* tested that package in question works. You set keyword,
you sign the life of your first-born that it will work. Or at least that's
the way it should be.

>I understand that this is a consistent problem, and that we constantly
>have to deal with breakages like this, but please don't send emails
>like this with so many accusations without at least talking to the herd
>lead, or viewing CVS history first.
>  
>
This *is* a consistent problem. But it shouldn't be. QA. Should. Be. Done.

>I like dealing with the mess of pissed off and enflamed developers as
>much as the arch teams like dealing with bad QA, so next time, please
>use at least a *little* subtlty before blowing things up.
>  
>
Grow up people, I didn't even say names. To say more - I'm far more upset
about person who introduced keywords.

>Anyway, I'm glad all the arch teams, who are the one's that never screw
>up and save us all, are fixing things.
>  
>
Yeap. What would you do without us. At least I get yelled at only once for
technical mistakes I make.

></sarcasm>
>  
>
Oh, since we have to indicate jokes/sarcasm now:

LOPATA.


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* Re: [gentoo-dev] Keys and words: ways to fail your team
  2005-06-28 23:30   ` Ilya A. Volynets-Evenbakh
@ 2005-06-29  9:45     ` Chris Bainbridge
  2005-06-29  9:53       ` Henrik Brix Andersen
  2005-06-29 12:36       ` Mike Frysinger
  2005-06-29 14:02     ` Chris Gianelloni
  1 sibling, 2 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Chris Bainbridge @ 2005-06-29  9:45 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-dev

On 28/06/05, Ilya A. Volynets-Evenbakh <iluxa@gentoo.org> wrote:
> Peter Johanson wrote:
> 
> > it wasn't even *him* who introduced the
> >keywords in question, he did a by the book bump moving arch -> ~arch for
> >all arches listed in keywords.
> >
> Book in question sort of presumes that ones who change keywords
> *personally* tested that package in question works. 

Really? I thought the policy was "When upgrading, drop all existing
keywords from arch to ~arch, and leave any existing ~arch keywords
intact.".

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* Re: [gentoo-dev] Keys and words: ways to fail your team
  2005-06-29  9:45     ` Chris Bainbridge
@ 2005-06-29  9:53       ` Henrik Brix Andersen
  2005-06-29 12:36       ` Mike Frysinger
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Henrik Brix Andersen @ 2005-06-29  9:53 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-dev

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On Wed, 2005-06-29 at 09:45 +0000, Chris Bainbridge wrote:
> Really? I thought the policy was "When upgrading, drop all existing
> keywords from arch to ~arch, and leave any existing ~arch keywords
> intact.".

It is.

Sincerely,
Brix
-- 
Henrik Brix Andersen <brix@gentoo.org>
Gentoo Metadistribution | Mobile computing herd

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* Re: [gentoo-dev] Keys and words: ways to fail your team
  2005-06-29  9:45     ` Chris Bainbridge
  2005-06-29  9:53       ` Henrik Brix Andersen
@ 2005-06-29 12:36       ` Mike Frysinger
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Mike Frysinger @ 2005-06-29 12:36 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-dev

On Wednesday 29 June 2005 05:45 am, Chris Bainbridge wrote:
> On 28/06/05, Ilya A. Volynets-Evenbakh <iluxa@gentoo.org> wrote:
> > Peter Johanson wrote:
> > > it wasn't even *him* who introduced the
> > >keywords in question, he did a by the book bump moving arch -> ~arch for
> > >all arches listed in keywords.
> >
> > Book in question sort of presumes that ones who change keywords
> > *personally* tested that package in question works.
>
> Really? I thought the policy was "When upgrading, drop all existing
> keywords from arch to ~arch, and leave any existing ~arch keywords
> intact.".

the implied change was unstable to stable, not the other way around
-mike
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] Keys and words: ways to fail your team
  2005-06-28 23:30   ` Ilya A. Volynets-Evenbakh
  2005-06-29  9:45     ` Chris Bainbridge
@ 2005-06-29 14:02     ` Chris Gianelloni
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Chris Gianelloni @ 2005-06-29 14:02 UTC (permalink / raw
  To: gentoo-dev

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On Tue, 2005-06-28 at 16:30 -0700, Ilya A. Volynets-Evenbakh wrote:
> > but I have a dev in the
> >dotnet herd who's really pretty upset right now as a result of such
> >apparently scathing comments accusing him of being an evil conspirator,
> >a wrecker, and traitor, when it wasn't even *him* who introduced the
> >keywords in question, he did a by the book bump moving arch -> ~arch for
> >all arches listed in keywords.
> >  
> >
> Book in question sort of presumes that ones who change keywords
> *personally* tested that package in question works. You set keyword,
> you sign the life of your first-born that it will work. Or at least that's
> the way it should be.

Actually, time and time again, we have heard that if the package is
already marked stable on an arch, that it is safe to change that to
~arch when doing version bumps.

I know that this is the rule that I follow, and haven't had a complaint
about it yet.

-- 
Chris Gianelloni
Release Engineering - Strategic Lead/QA Manager
Games - Developer
Gentoo Linux

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