From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lennier.cc.vt.edu (lennier.cc.vt.edu [198.82.162.213]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j591j3sY028438 for ; Thu, 9 Jun 2005 01:45:04 GMT Received: from steiner.cc.vt.edu (IDENT:mirapoint@evil-steiner.cc.vt.edu [10.1.1.14]) by lennier.cc.vt.edu (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j591jhTx004138 for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 21:45:43 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.2] (68-232-96-93.chvlva.adelphia.net [68.232.96.93]) by steiner.cc.vt.edu (MOS 3.5.7-GR) with ESMTP id DEU83454 (AUTH spbecker); Wed, 8 Jun 2005 21:45:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <42A79F46.7040203@gentoo.org> Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 21:45:42 -0400 From: "Stephen P. Becker" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20050401) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] a #g-d first impression might represent process and metastructure References: <42A77DF0.3030200@comcast.net> <5e0a35ef0506081719459535ca@mail.gmail.com> <42A7991D.9030007@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <42A7991D.9030007@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 26e29e34-790c-4692-b630-2553a507b4f4 X-Archives-Hash: d6d9a1a836354d1df5e83f14055e63a6 > I was up late on a friday evening hacking up a nifty addition to my > system and in my excitement and exuberance jumped on IRC to the dev > channel to get pointers to the best "official" references to ebuild > crafting and submission. > > As it was absolutely silent, I waited a few minutes and requested voice > from the first notice of motion i saw in the channel.. "re", or some > similar indication of important offical business commencing. I was > informed that the bottom line was voice was only granted to developers, > period, end of story, no exceptions, and I was obviously misinformed and > should be elsewhere. Instead of anything like assistance I wound up > being told > 1) (condescension) it was people like me who try to skirt the gentoo > process which are actually the problem even if we think it's contributing, > 2)these important people in this channel are only here so that they can > occasionally ping each other and see thier nickname had been highlighted. > 3) that under no circumstance was I going to get an audience in > #gentoo-dev, now or in future context, because it was for developers, > and regardless of 20 years coding experience or working on linux since > 0.99, I was not a developer > 4) I could feel free to file a bug if I thought there was an issue, or > talk to a recruiter about something to help out with. > Without hearing the other side of the story or seeing a transcript of the conversation, it is hard to say whether whoever this was reacted properly or not, however I would say they have a major stick up their ass. Don't assume everybody in #gentoo-dev would have reacted to your query the same way. For example, people have asked me for voice a few times, and I grant it to them if their question or concern actually has to do with development of gentoo. If the request amounts to user support, I tell them to try #gentoo or bugzilla. In any case, if they said voice was only granted to developers, they are dead wrong. Developers have ops, while developers in training or wannabe developers are typically granted voice. -Steve -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list