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Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 16:23:28 -0700
From: Jim Northrup <glamdring-inc@comcast.net>
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Subject: [gentoo-dev] a #g-d first impression might represent process and metastructure
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to address Luca, Erin, and Patrick as well, and cease the thread hijack
implications
Rob Holland wrote:
>On Wed, Jun 08, 2005 at 08:59:34AM -0700, Jim Northrup wrote:
>
>
>>might I suggest not kicking #gentoo-dev visitors who ask for voice to
>>speak to the devs without a 'rtfm & go get a gentoo job' smokescreen ?
>>
>>
>Sorry, I've missed how that's relevant to Gentoo metastructure..?
>
>
I could go into specifics, but I'd just like to say that regardless of
how busy (and spending time on irc condescending non-devs?), you will
occasionally find folks like me ignorant of process, but willing to
contribute a fix here and there.
My history with gentoo is one of putting it into production, and working
with gentoo for more years than many developers both for enjoyment and
livelyhood.
so if it makes a difference, I approached a dev on #gentoo-dev, and met
with condescending and belittling treatment when i asked for voice. I
will not be going into names or specifics.
undeterred, I have taken the reccomendations, and rtfm'd and established
relations with developers nearly filing a bugzilla entry in the process
to highlight the ridiculous level of bother my role as outsider seemed
to present.
the gentoo [meta]process deficiencies I can present for consideration are:
1) There is nowhere specified on gentoo.org or gentoo maintained sites
I've rtfm'd specifying any hint of conduct guidelines for being a
developer interfacing with the outside world, representing the
organization. Common social ettiquette does not always reside with
skilled techies...
2) There are gentoo.org references to #gentoo-dev, but the process of
interfacing, mentoring, and recruiting are self-referential beginning
with a bootstrap of being on the good side of an existing developer. So
for those of us who do not establish favorable dialogues by filing a
bug, the door starts out closed.
Jim
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