From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j58F82aL015343 for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 15:08:02 GMT Received: from aamta10-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050608150841.EBAK6773.mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta10-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 16:08:41 +0100 Received: from zog.reactivated.net ([81.99.81.161]) by aamta10-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050608150841.JLKX24546.aamta10-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@zog.reactivated.net> for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 16:08:41 +0100 Received: from [192.168.0.2] (dsd [192.168.0.2]) by zog.reactivated.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBD3D78D75E for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 16:26:41 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <42A70A48.8020104@gentoo.org> Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 16:10:00 +0100 From: Daniel Drake User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20050403) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo metastructure reform poll is open References: <42A70812.4030103@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <42A70812.4030103@gentoo.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.90.2.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 57e95a40-9664-415c-956b-faa8aa879e10 X-Archives-Hash: d64a39b604dd057e6e20636a0d16c72f Daniel Drake wrote: > - Form a task force for additional study ("Task-Force") > -core mail (7 June 2005) from jstubbs, 42A4D555.7010009@gentoo.org > (will be available on gentoo-dev as a response to this message) Jason Stubbs' proposal: I'm past this deadline, but I'd like to propose a modified "keeping it the way it works (fails) now". My motivation is that I don't feel any of these proposals will solve the issues at hand in the long run. You may call it `Jstubbs' "Task Force" proposal`. ;) At the outset I will explicitly state what seems to be implicit in the other proposals. If this proposal is allowed to be entered into the ballot and ends up being ranked highest, a ballot on the positions of top-level managers would ensue. The number of positions and the projects would remain the same in the short term. The "Task Force" part of the proposal is that a new top level project be created to specifically deal with how the organization functions. Its role would be to document and improve all structure, policies and procedures. However, it would have no power to enforce them. All policies and procedures must be signed off on by the top-level managers for them to become enforcable. For this reason, the task force would not be represented within the top-level managers. Think of it as the organizational ombudsman. In the short term, the goals would be to get policies and procedures documented and approved that prevent stagnation within the top-level managers. The main aim here being the ability to transition to one of the proposals above or to some entirely different structure should documentation prove it to be appropriate. Medium term goals would be to step in and help other projects get their procedures documented where need be. And in the long term, the aim would be to have policies and procedures documented for everything. Just to quickly preempt the main negative to this proposal, policies and procedures don't mean you have to behave like a robot. Policies are only ever a recommendation that serve to create a common direction. Procedures are only ever a list of steps that are known to work. They are more of a safety net than anything else. In either case, if you follow it and stuff up - even badly - it is a fault of the policy or procedure. And no, I don't have a name for the project yet although, looking back at the projects page, I think I've just describe what the existing "metastructure" project *should* be doing. So... worth putting on the ballot? Regards, Jason Stubbs -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list