From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.85]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j583USv5012090 for ; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 03:30:29 GMT Received: from [24.21.51.226] (c-24-21-51-226.hsd1.or.comcast.net[24.21.51.226]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with ESMTP id <2005060803310201400jh7ire>; Wed, 8 Jun 2005 03:31:02 +0000 Message-ID: <42A66675.20900@cesmail.net> Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 20:31:01 -0700 From: "M. Edward (Ed) Borasky" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20050413) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: Fw: [gentoo-dev] where goes Gentoo? References: <20050607212929.0E1A8F5951@mail.deploylinux.net> In-Reply-To: <20050607212929.0E1A8F5951@mail.deploylinux.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.90.2.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: d246b29c-62a4-47ed-8907-617d694e9402 X-Archives-Hash: 97ca575e860ca1c516e09ec0d3b3dbaa Matthew Marlowe wrote: >A clueful sysadmin with gentoo is a far superior arrangement >provided the rate of hardware installs isn't too much. For very large >environments with 100+ boxes, I'd definitly agree with you that >gentoo has a long way to go. > > Well ... as far as I'm concerned, "clueful sysadmin" == Gentoo Certified Engineer. That's something we *can* do -- start certifying people the same way Red Hat does. For large environments with 100+ boxes, as long as they're all x86 and i686 or better, you could have a small-to-medium compile farm with /usr/portage/packages exported via NFS. >I think Gentoo shouldn't rule out providing some support and flexibility >for any need that a significant amount of its userbase is interested in. >And, I know there are a significant number of devs already who >have at least some interest in enterprise support do to conversations >I've had via IRC. > >I definitly don't expect that the entire gentoo community or dev base >should go substantially out of their way or change organizational structure >to facilitate enterprise capabilities. Just allow some startup biz that >eventually comes along to be able to provide a backported snapshot >based tree for their own customers. > > I think you underestimate the difficulty of running a successful "startup biz". I don't think Ubuntu would have gotten where they are if the founder hadn't been rich to start with. >>>Also I find it amusing when people say that Gentoo exists for the >>>users. I think that is wrong. Gentoo exists for the *developers*. >>>It's our playground, and it's the reason we use a live tree rather >>>than switching to an actually sane approach. The users are cool >>>because they point out bugs, help solve problems on bugzilla, suggest >>>enhancements, provide patches, and notify us of package updates. >>>Sometimes they become developers. But the truth is that Gentoo sees >>>improvement and maintenance in the areas that appeal to the >>>developers. And that is why Gentoo exists for the developers first, >>>the users second. >>> >>> >>> > >Thats part of the reason that I'm a developer - because I like interacting >with the dev community here. But, the users have their own role and >the above could be taken the wrong way. > > Well ... as a user, I certainly didn't take it the wrong way. -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list