Re: Fw: [gentoo-dev] where goes Gentoo?

["M. Edward (Ed) Borasky" <znmeb@cesmail.net>]

Matthew Marlowe wrote:

>A clueful sysadmin with gentoo is a far superior arrangement 
>provided the rate of hardware installs isn't too much. For very large
>environments with 100+ boxes, I'd definitly agree with you that
>gentoo has a long way to go.
>  
>
Well ... as far as I'm concerned, "clueful sysadmin" == Gentoo Certified
Engineer. That's something we *can* do -- start certifying people the
same way Red Hat does.

For large environments with 100+ boxes, as long as they're all x86 and
i686 or better, you could have a small-to-medium compile farm with
/usr/portage/packages exported via NFS.

>I think Gentoo shouldn't rule out providing some support and flexibility
>for any need that a significant amount of its userbase is interested in.
>And, I know there are a significant number of devs already who
>have at least some interest in enterprise support do to conversations
>I've had via IRC.
>
>I definitly don't expect that the entire gentoo community or dev base
>should go substantially out of their way or change organizational structure
>to facilitate enterprise capabilities.  Just allow some startup biz that 
>eventually comes along to be able to provide a backported snapshot
>based tree for their own customers.
>  
>
I think you underestimate the difficulty of running a successful
"startup biz". I don't think Ubuntu would have gotten where they are if
the founder hadn't been rich to start with.

>>>Also I find it amusing when people say that Gentoo exists for the
>>>users.  I think that is wrong.  Gentoo exists for the *developers*.
>>>It's our playground, and it's the reason we use a live tree rather
>>>than switching to an actually sane approach.  The users are cool
>>>because they point out bugs, help solve problems on bugzilla, suggest
>>>enhancements, provide patches, and notify us of package updates.
>>>Sometimes they become developers.  But the truth is that Gentoo sees
>>>improvement and maintenance in the areas that appeal to the
>>>developers.  And that is why Gentoo exists for the developers first,
>>>the users second.
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>
>Thats part of the reason that I'm a developer - because I like interacting
>with the dev community here.  But, the users have their own role and 
>the above could be taken the wrong way.
>  
>
Well ... as a user, I certainly didn't take it the wrong way.
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