From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mx1.shlink.ch (mx1.shlink.ch [217.148.0.19]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j57FNlJf010819 for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2005 15:23:47 GMT Received: from localhost (spamfilter [217.148.0.24]) by mx1.shlink.ch (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59613157DE for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2005 17:23:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mx1.shlink.ch ([217.148.0.19]) by localhost (spamfilter.shlink.ch [217.148.0.24]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 68793-04 for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2005 17:23:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.10.5] (range21-65.shlink.ch [217.148.7.65]) by mx1.shlink.ch (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF1171579B for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2005 17:23:35 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <42A5BC1C.1060800@gentoo.org> Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 17:24:12 +0200 From: Simon Stelling User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20050324) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] where goes Gentoo? References: <20050606235550.GL9084@kaf.zko.hp.com> In-Reply-To: <20050606235550.GL9084@kaf.zko.hp.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at shlink.ch X-Archives-Salt: 275d977b-a243-4f01-a384-76f31cbd1cc1 X-Archives-Hash: bfac10c221683141cc42e9e4b94c41e7 Hi, Aron Griffis wrote: > I think that attempting to take Gentoo in the "enterprise" direction > is a mistake. I think that we are a hobbyist distribution. This > doesn't mean that we should not strive to meet some of the enterprise > goals. Those things can be important to hobbyists too. But I don't > think we should be aiming for corporate America. I don't think we're a good base for enterprise distributions with our current tree either. > I don't even understand why that goal appeals to people. Let other > distros go there! I want Gentoo to run in people's homes, in student > dorm rooms, etc. Places where people want a fun distribution that > they can tailor and work on easily. As you stated before, many of the enterprise goals may also fit the "hobbyist"'s ones. I'm running Gentoo on my Pentium-MMX for server pourposes and I really would benefit from a slower moving tree, for example. > I like the idea of Gentoo on alternative arches and in embedded > environments. Not because I want Sony to start using Gentoo on > walkmans, but purely because the idea of running Linux on a PDA is > cool. I'd like Gentoo to be a place where neat things are developed. Ack. Additionally, I like the idea of running Gentoo on a server. ;) > Also I find it amusing when people say that Gentoo exists for the > users. I think that is wrong. Gentoo exists for the *developers*. Depends on which side you are. When I was a user, I always had the feeling that Gentoo exists for me, since it doesn't force me to something I don't want, I can decide what my system looks like. Now that I became a developer I see Gentoo as a great opportunity to expand my knowlege and experience and to meet nice people, so it's primarily for me. > It's our playground, and it's the reason we use a live tree rather > than switching to an actually sane approach. The users are cool > because they point out bugs, help solve problems on bugzilla, suggest > enhancements, provide patches, and notify us of package updates. > Sometimes they become developers. But the truth is that Gentoo sees > improvement and maintenance in the areas that appeal to the > developers. And that is why Gentoo exists for the developers first, > the users second. I agree with this, but there are also situations where that isn't really true. For example, I'm really interested in getting a true multilib environment for AMD64, not because I want to run 32bit apps -- the few ones I need already run smoothly -- but because it's an interesting and ambitious project. For those who want to decide whether they want 32bit or 64bit on a per-package-basis, multilib exists for them. To me, multilib exists for me. Although it's nearly everywhere the case, there doesn't have to be a conflict of interests per-se. Gentoo has managed to not run into these troubles, and that's why it's such a great distribution and community. Greetings, blubb -- Simon Stelling Gentoo/AMD64 Operational Co-Lead blubb@gentoo.org -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list