[gentoo-dev] Some new xorg ebuilds

[gentoo-dev] Some new xorg ebuilds

[Donnie Berkholz]

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I just added a couple of new xorg-x11 ebuilds. 6.8.2-r2 is a work in
progress and will soon be removed from package.mask and unleashed upon
the masses. 6.8.99.3 is a development snapshot of CVS HEAD and is part
of an occasionally released series (roughly every two weeks).

Let me know how things go with them via bugs.gentoo.org. If you hit a
bug in 6.8.2, please try out the 6.8.99.* snapshots to see whether it's
still present.

Thanks!
Donnie
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Some new xorg ebuilds

[Sebastian Bergmann]

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Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> 6.8.99.3 is a development snapshot of CVS HEAD and is part of an
> occasionally released series (roughly every two weeks).

 Is there a list of "major" changes for X.Org 6.9.0 (or whatever release
 6.8.99.* is leading to) somewhere? How far do you estimate this release
 to be away?

 Thanks,
Sebastian

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Some new xorg ebuilds

[Henrik Brix Andersen]

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On Tue, 2005-04-19 at 11:15 +0200, Sebastian Bergmann wrote:
>  Is there a list of "major" changes for X.Org 6.9.0 (or whatever release
>  6.8.99.* is leading to) somewhere? How far do you estimate this release
>  to be away?

http://xorg.freedesktop.org/wiki/#head-7f9963a87b2eb461fc821f70af0cecbb33788ba8

Don't you just love wiki links? <sigh/>

./Brix
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[gentoo-dev] Re: Some new xorg ebuilds

[Duncan]

Henrik Brix Andersen posted <1113912662.13564.5.camel@sponge.fungus>,
excerpted below,  on Tue, 19 Apr 2005 14:11:02 +0200:

> On Tue, 2005-04-19 at 11:15 +0200, Sebastian Bergmann wrote:
>>  Is there a list of "major" changes for X.Org 6.9.0 (or whatever
>>  release 6.8.99.* is leading to) somewhere? How far do you estimate
>>  this release to be away?
> 
> http://xorg.freedesktop.org/wiki/#head-7f9963a87b2eb461fc821f70af0cecbb33788ba8

Very useful information, particularly the modularization proposal as
linked from there.

After reading The Modularization Proposal, and noting from the front page
linked above that it has apparently been adopted, I've still some
questions, mostly re Gentoo's implementation thereof.

The big one, how are we handling the modularization.  It has been obvious
for some time from Donnie's comments that he's taking Gentoo's xorg toward
modularized, but that leaves open the question of how exactly it's going
to be done.

Is the modularization going to be handled much as the KDE splits were
handled?  That is, as with KDE having both the multilithic (multi- due to
still having multiple category packages) and split ebuilds available for
3.4, will xorg 6.9 (current imake monolithic build system, according to
the link above) and 7.0 (modularized autotools based build) exist at the
same time, with xorg-7.0 being effectively a meta-ebuild of the multiple
individual packages, similar to kdebase-meta, or will we switch to
modularized immediately (or...)?

Once we go 7.0/modularized, what will it look like in terms of the
versioning of the individual components?  As with KDE, are they going to
say in sync with the main upstream release, with individual new package
versions getting -rN revision numbers, or are we going to have individual
package versions with no relation to the xorg release, save for the
xorg-7.x meta-ebuild having deps on >= whatever the highest component
ebuild version for that particular package was at that point?

More to the immediate point, are the 6.8.99 snapshots going to be
modularized more or less as they become available upstream (if it's not
already happening, I haven't yet checked), or should we (I) expect a 6.99
modularized meta-package set of snapshots to become available at some
point?

Finally, are all the Gentoo local system location changes now (as of
6.8.2-r1 or r2?) complete, or are there still more coming?  IOW, are we
testers now testing /only/ new xorg code, or are we still testing local
system location changes as well?

...

Also, one more question, local xorg configuration related.  I'm currently
running dual VGA screen xinerama on a single dual-output Radeon AGP card.
I'd /love/ to be able to run dual cards, an AGP and a PCI, letting me run
up to four monitors, but have tried several different hardware
arrangements and save for the success I had some time ago with a GForce2
and NVidia's proprietary drivers (totalling three monitors on two cards),
I've not gotten it working. Is there an official list of dual card
supporting xorg drivers, anywhere, and/or perhaps an xorg-user list
dealing with such things?  I did notice the note about r128 now supporting
dual-card layout in the changes since 6.8.2 doc linked from above, which
again reminded me that I'd like to get it working.  2 x 2048x1536, 21"
monitors, stacked for 2048x3072, is nice, but a 2x2 layout for 4096x3072
total display area would DEFINITELY be nicer!  =8^)

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Some new xorg ebuilds

[Donnie Berkholz]

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Duncan wrote:
> Is the modularization going to be handled much as the KDE splits were
> handled?  That is, as with KDE having both the multilithic (multi- due to
> still having multiple category packages) and split ebuilds available for
> 3.4, will xorg 6.9 (current imake monolithic build system, according to
> the link above) and 7.0 (modularized autotools based build) exist at the
> same time, with xorg-7.0 being effectively a meta-ebuild of the multiple
> individual packages, similar to kdebase-meta, or will we switch to
> modularized immediately (or...)?

I haven't decided yet. Well-justified arguments one way or the other
would be useful.

> Once we go 7.0/modularized, what will it look like in terms of the
> versioning of the individual components?  As with KDE, are they going to
> say in sync with the main upstream release, with individual new package
> versions getting -rN revision numbers, or are we going to have individual
> package versions with no relation to the xorg release, save for the
> xorg-7.x meta-ebuild having deps on >= whatever the highest component
> ebuild version for that particular package was at that point?

It's going to be quite different from KDE, because xorg upstream will be
modularized and separately versioned, rather than us breaking up their
semi-monolithic releases. Whatever upstream's versioning scheme is will
be followed here. I expect that versions will be independent of the
"xorg" release number rather than tracking it like in GNOME, but I'm not
positive.

> More to the immediate point, are the 6.8.99 snapshots going to be
> modularized more or less as they become available upstream (if it's not
> already happening, I haven't yet checked), or should we (I) expect a 6.99
> modularized meta-package set of snapshots to become available at some
> point?

Roughly as it happens upstream. I'm not going to waste time duplicating
the same work myself.

> Finally, are all the Gentoo local system location changes now (as of
> 6.8.2-r1 or r2?) complete, or are there still more coming?  IOW, are we
> testers now testing /only/ new xorg code, or are we still testing local
> system location changes as well?

Gentoo-local changes should be done, although upstream may be changing
/usr/lib/modules to /usr/lib/xserver/modules or something along those
lines, and perhaps a few similar changes.

> Also, one more question, local xorg configuration related.  I'm currently
> running dual VGA screen xinerama on a single dual-output Radeon AGP card.
> I'd /love/ to be able to run dual cards, an AGP and a PCI, letting me run
> up to four monitors, but have tried several different hardware
> arrangements and save for the success I had some time ago with a GForce2
> and NVidia's proprietary drivers (totalling three monitors on two cards),
> I've not gotten it working. Is there an official list of dual card
> supporting xorg drivers, anywhere, and/or perhaps an xorg-user list
> dealing with such things?  I did notice the note about r128 now supporting
> dual-card layout in the changes since 6.8.2 doc linked from above, which
> again reminded me that I'd like to get it working.  2 x 2048x1536, 21"
> monitors, stacked for 2048x3072, is nice, but a 2x2 layout for 4096x3072
> total display area would DEFINITELY be nicer!  =8^)

http://www.botchco.com/alex/dualhead/ might help. It's by the guy who
does much of the dual-head work in Xorg.

Thanks,
Donnie
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[gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Some new xorg ebuilds

[Duncan]

Donnie Berkholz posted <42669E8E.8000700@gentoo.org>, excerpted below,  on
Wed, 20 Apr 2005 11:25:18 -0700:

> Duncan wrote:
>> Will xorg 6.9 (monolithic) and 7.0 (modularized) exist at the same
>> time?
> 
> I haven't decided yet. Well-justified arguments one way or the other
> would be useful.
> 
> Whatever upstream's versioning scheme is will be followed here. I expect
> that versions will be independent of the "xorg" release number, but I'm
> not positive.
> 
>> Finally, are all the Gentoo local system location changes now complete?
> 
> Gentoo-local changes should be done, although upstream may be changing
> /usr/lib/modules to /usr/lib/xserver/modules or something along those
> lines, and perhaps a few similar changes.
> 
>> Also, one more question, local xorg configuration related.
> 
> http://www.botchco.com/alex/dualhead/ might help. It's by the guy who
> does much of the dual-head work in Xorg.

Thanks.  From the (previous) link, it appears upstream versions will
indeed be independent, definitely so for hardware driver modules, anyway,
since the various vendors (at least those open sourcing) will be able to
directly control nearly all aspects of those modules, including
versioning, and at least some of them will obviously have their own
versioning schemes to follow.

That documentation provides as strong a clue as I've yet seen that ATI may
yet open up newer drivers again.  The mentions of new/experimental Radeon
9800+ DRI support were interesting as well. I had a couple paragraphs
written on this but then decided the dev list wasn't the place to be
spamming it, so I'll just comment that this gives me new reasons for hope.

Thanks for the dualhead link as well.  It's in my bookmarks now, for sure!

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Some new xorg ebuilds

[Paul de Vrieze]

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On Tuesday 19 April 2005 10:00, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> I just added a couple of new xorg-x11 ebuilds. 6.8.2-r2 is a work in
> progress and will soon be removed from package.mask and unleashed upon
> the masses. 6.8.99.3 is a development snapshot of CVS HEAD and is part
> of an occasionally released series (roughly every two weeks).
>
> Let me know how things go with them via bugs.gentoo.org. If you hit a
> bug in 6.8.2, please try out the 6.8.99.* snapshots to see whether it's
> still present.

Any indication on the stability of the snapshots. I'm eager to try out all the 
new sugar, but do want to keep a somewhat stable system.

Paul

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Some new xorg ebuilds

[Stefan Schweizer]

On 4/19/05, Paul de Vrieze <pauldv@gentoo.org> wrote:
> Any indication on the stability of the snapshots. I'm eager to try out all the
> new sugar, but do want to keep a somewhat stable system.
> 

works for 5 hours without problems on my system now :)

regards,
Stefan

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Some new xorg ebuilds

[Donnie Berkholz]

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Paul de Vrieze wrote:
> Any indication on the stability of the snapshots. I'm eager to try out all the 
> new sugar, but do want to keep a somewhat stable system.

No guarantees one way or the other, but I'm using it as my regular X.
And unless the stuff gets tested on your hardware, problems won't get
caught and reported. Xorg CVS has traditionally been fairly stable.

Thanks,
Donnie
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Some new xorg ebuilds

[Paul de Vrieze]

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On Tuesday 19 April 2005 23:11, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> Paul de Vrieze wrote:
> > Any indication on the stability of the snapshots. I'm eager to try
> > out all the new sugar, but do want to keep a somewhat stable system.
>
> No guarantees one way or the other, but I'm using it as my regular X.
> And unless the stuff gets tested on your hardware, problems won't get
> caught and reported. Xorg CVS has traditionally been fairly stable.

I've found a bug (and reverted) in the matrox driver. When I start the new 
version on my office system (with a matox g550) the resolution is low, 
lines appear twice. Worse, it also garbles up the console such that it 
seems that the buffer wordsize someway got changed as letters appear 
duplicated and not at all.

Paul

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Some new xorg ebuilds

[Donnie Berkholz]

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Paul de Vrieze wrote:
> I've found a bug (and reverted) in the matrox driver.


https://bugs.freedesktop.org/
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Some new xorg ebuilds

[Daniel Goller]

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Donnie Berkholz wrote:
| I just added a couple of new xorg-x11 ebuilds. 6.8.2-r2 is a work in
| progress and will soon be removed from package.mask and unleashed upon
| the masses. 6.8.99.3 is a development snapshot of CVS HEAD and is part
| of an occasionally released series (roughly every two weeks).
|
| Let me know how things go with them via bugs.gentoo.org. If you hit a
| bug in 6.8.2, please try out the 6.8.99.* snapshots to see whether it's
| still present.
|
| Thanks!
| Donnie

do  you want both on one bug or seperate bugs, from your email, you do
want success and problems on bugs.g.o, correct? do you want hardware
info/binary drivers used added?
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Some new xorg ebuilds

[Donnie Berkholz]

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Daniel Goller wrote:
> do  you want both on one bug or seperate bugs, from your email, you do
> want success and problems on bugs.g.o, correct? do you want hardware
> info/binary drivers used added?

Basically emerge info and xorg.conf, from which I can suck out your
architecture, xorg USE flags, toolchain and driver.

Successes are only really interesting for 6.8.99.*. THe other, I expect
to work fairly well.

Successes can get lumped together, failures I'd like split out, unless
they affect both.

Thanks,
Donnie
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[gentoo-dev] Re: Some new xorg ebuilds

[Duncan]

Donnie Berkholz posted <4265C541.9020104@gentoo.org>, excerpted below,  on
Tue, 19 Apr 2005 19:58:09 -0700:

> Daniel Goller wrote:
>> do  you want both on one bug or seperate bugs, from your email, you do
>> want success and problems on bugs.g.o, correct? do you want hardware
>> info/binary drivers used added?
> 
> Basically emerge info and xorg.conf, from which I can suck out your
> architecture, xorg USE flags, toolchain and driver.
> 
> Successes are only really interesting for 6.8.99.*. THe other, I expect
> to work fairly well.

OK, I'm currently running the 6.8.99.3 snapshot, on ~amd64 w/ the radeon
xorg native drivers and gcc-3.4.3.  No issues with it save for the
previously posted font problems, now corrected I gather.

However, my question is do you want gcc-4.0.0 bugs yet, or not?  I tried
remerging w/ gcc4 without success, and now that I see the .99.5
snapshot out, before I go trying to upgrade to it, I'm wondering if it's
worth my while to try it under my gcc4 gcc-profile, bugging
success/failure, or if you aren't ready for that yet and I should just
report on gcc-3.4.3 merges (gcc-3.3 is deprecated on amd64).

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Some new xorg ebuilds

[Donnie Berkholz]

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Duncan wrote:
> However, my question is do you want gcc-4.0.0 bugs yet, or not?  I tried
> remerging w/ gcc4 without success, and now that I see the .99.5
> snapshot out, before I go trying to upgrade to it, I'm wondering if it's
> worth my while to try it under my gcc4 gcc-profile, bugging
> success/failure, or if you aren't ready for that yet and I should just
> report on gcc-3.4.3 merges (gcc-3.3 is deprecated on amd64).

mjc is working on gcc4+amd64+xorg. It seems to work fine on x86.
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[gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Some new xorg ebuilds

[Duncan]

Donnie Berkholz posted <42791C81.3080407@gentoo.org>, excerpted below,  on
Wed, 04 May 2005 12:03:29 -0700:

> mjc is working on gcc4+amd64+xorg. It seems to work fine on x86.

Cool! =8^)

Umm... does that mean file the (gcc4+amd64+xorg) bugs, and he'll work with
them, or don't file them, because it's already got known issues that need
fixed before bug reports on that particular combo will be anything but
additional hassle?

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Some new xorg ebuilds

[Donnie Berkholz]

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Duncan wrote:
> Umm... does that mean file the (gcc4+amd64+xorg) bugs, and he'll work with
> them, or don't file them, because it's already got known issues that need
> fixed before bug reports on that particular combo will be anything but
> additional hassle?

We already know about it and are working on it, so there's no need to
file a bug from our perspective, unless you've got patches to post on it.

Thanks,
Donnie
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[gentoo-dev] Re: Re: Re: Some new xorg ebuilds

[Duncan]

Donnie Berkholz posted <427A39B0.5000606@gentoo.org>, excerpted below,  on
Thu, 05 May 2005 08:20:16 -0700:

> We already know about it and are working on it, so there's no need to
> file a bug from our perspective, unless you've got patches to post on it.

OK, what I needed to know.  Unfortunately, patches that require knowing
C/C++ I'm not in a position to supply =8^(  -- yet, anyway; hopefully
that'll change at some point. =8^)

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Some new xorg ebuilds

[Donnie Berkholz]

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Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> I just added a couple of new xorg-x11 ebuilds. 6.8.2-r2 is a work in
> progress and will soon be removed from package.mask and unleashed upon
> the masses. 6.8.99.3 is a development snapshot of CVS HEAD and is part
> of an occasionally released series (roughly every two weeks).
> 
> Let me know how things go with them via bugs.gentoo.org. If you hit a
> bug in 6.8.2, please try out the 6.8.99.* snapshots to see whether it's
> still present.

Some people have experienced font slowdowns. This is because of a
/usr/share/fonts/fonts circular symlink that's a migration artifact. I
just committed a fix for it, but feel free to simply delete the symlink
rather than remerging.

Thanks,
Donnie
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Some new xorg ebuilds

[Donnie Berkholz]

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Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> Some people have experienced font slowdowns. This is because of a
> /usr/share/fonts/fonts circular symlink that's a migration artifact. I
> just committed a fix for it, but feel free to simply delete the symlink
> rather than remerging.

Also in some cases, it can be a directory full of symlinks instead.
Either way, delete the stupid thing.
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Some new xorg ebuilds

[Marcus D. Hanwell]

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Donnie Berkholz wrote:

> Donnie Berkholz wrote:
>
> >Some people have experienced font slowdowns. This is because of a
> >/usr/share/fonts/fonts circular symlink that's a migration artifact. I
> >just committed a fix for it, but feel free to simply delete the symlink
> >rather than remerging.
>
>
> Also in some cases, it can be a directory full of symlinks instead.
> Either way, delete the stupid thing.

I was just about to see if anyone else was having this problem as it
hit me and I just deleted the symlink. I think it was about 10 deep.
Thanks for fixing that one so quickly.
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Some new xorg ebuilds

[Beber [Gentoo]]

Hi

Xorg 6.8.99.5 really works good.
I've see that 6.8.99.7 have been released in CVS. Did you make some test ?

[ Also, I've made some ebuilds dor XCB, if you are interested :
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93582 ]

See Ya
Beber,

On 4/19/05, Donnie Berkholz <spyderous@gentoo.org> wrote:
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> I just added a couple of new xorg-x11 ebuilds. 6.8.2-r2 is a work in
> progress and will soon be removed from package.mask and unleashed upon
> the masses. 6.8.99.3 is a development snapshot of CVS HEAD and is part
> of an occasionally released series (roughly every two weeks).
> 
> Let me know how things go with them via bugs.gentoo.org. If you hit a
> bug in 6.8.2, please try out the 6.8.99.* snapshots to see whether it's
> still present.
> 
> Thanks!
> Donnie
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Some new xorg ebuilds

[Donnie Berkholz]

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Beber [Gentoo] wrote:
> Xorg 6.8.99.5 really works good.
> I've see that 6.8.99.7 have been released in CVS. Did you make some test ?

No, not yet. But bumping them is pretty trivial and low priority. I do
it when I get around to it.

> [ Also, I've made some ebuilds dor XCB, if you are interested :
> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=93582 ]

I saw them. Thanks! I'm looking forward to when this is available in Xorg.

Donnie
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