[gentoo-dev] dev-libs => dev-cpp moves

[gentoo-dev] dev-libs => dev-cpp moves

[Aaron Walker]

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Hey guys/gals,

There are a sleu of C++-only libs in dev-libs that IMO belong in dev-cpp:

dev-libs/asyncresolv
dev-libs/blitz
dev-libs/boost
dev-libs/botan
dev-libs/cgicc
dev-libs/commonc++
dev-libs/crypto++
dev-libs/darts
dev-libs/DFB++
dev-libs/dvcgi
dev-libs/dvenv
dev-libs/dvmysql
dev-libs/dvnet
dev-libs/dvthread
dev-libs/dvutil
dev-libs/dvxml
dev-libs/fampp2
dev-libs/ibpp
dev-libs/korelib
dev-libs/libcoyotl
dev-libs/libevocosm
dev-libs/libpqxx
dev-libs/libsigc++
dev-libs/log4cpp
dev-libs/log4cxx
dev-libs/luabind
dev-libs/mxmlplus
dev-libs/ntl
dev-libs/pcre++
dev-libs/ptypes
dev-libs/pwlib
dev-libs/rlog
dev-libs/socketstream
dev-libs/STLport
dev-libs/sucs
dev-libs/tinyq
dev-libs/wefts
dev-libs/xerces-c
dev-libs/xmlwrapp
dev-libs/xplc
dev-libs/zthread

Any objections?

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Re: [gentoo-dev] dev-libs => dev-cpp moves

[Donnie Berkholz]

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Aaron Walker wrote:
> Hey guys/gals,
> 
> There are a sleu of C++-only libs in dev-libs that IMO belong in dev-cpp:

Why is language a good way to sort these? I think they should be sorted
by function.
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Re: [gentoo-dev] dev-libs => dev-cpp moves

[Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò]

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On Friday 06 May 2005 16:33, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> Why is language a good way to sort these? I think they should be sorted
> by function.
I think this applies only to general-purpose libraries and not to all the 
libraries.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] dev-libs => dev-cpp moves

[Alin Nastac]

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Donnie Berkholz wrote:

> Aaron Walker wrote:
>
> >Hey guys/gals,
>
> >There are a sleu of C++-only libs in dev-libs that IMO belong in dev-cpp:
>
>
> Why is language a good way to sort these? I think they should be sorted
> by function.

prolly 'cause C++ libraries cannot be used unless your program is
written in C++.
on the contrary, C libs could be used in whatever language you want
(theoretically at least).

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Re: [gentoo-dev] dev-libs => dev-cpp moves

[Donnie Berkholz]

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Alin Nastac wrote:
> Donnie Berkholz wrote:
>>Why is language a good way to sort these? I think they should be sorted
>>by function.
> 
> 
> prolly 'cause C++ libraries cannot be used unless your program is
> written in C++.
> on the contrary, C libs could be used in whatever language you want
> (theoretically at least).

OK, maybe it's useful for developers. And particularly in the case of
libraries, my point may not be as relevant. But in the interest of being
consistent, it should be the same throughout.

But as a user, if I'm looking for a database, I'd look at dev-db. I
wouldn't expect it to be sitting in dev-ruby or something because it's
written in Ruby. As a user, I don't particularly care what language
something is in. For example, darcs is in Haskell. So what? I can still
emerge it.

I'm just voicing my objection -- if you decide to go ahead anyway and
they're your packages, good for you. =)

Thanks,
Donnie
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Re: [gentoo-dev] dev-libs => dev-cpp moves

[Alin Nastac]

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Donnie Berkholz wrote:

> Alin Nastac wrote:
>
> >Donnie Berkholz wrote:
>
> >>Why is language a good way to sort these? I think they should be sorted
> >>by function.
>
>
> >prolly 'cause C++ libraries cannot be used unless your program is
> >written in C++.
> >on the contrary, C libs could be used in whatever language you want
> >(theoretically at least).
>
>
> OK, maybe it's useful for developers. And particularly in the case of
> libraries, my point may not be as relevant. But in the interest of being
> consistent, it should be the same throughout.
>
> But as a user, if I'm looking for a database, I'd look at dev-db. I
> wouldn't expect it to be sitting in dev-ruby or something because it's
> written in Ruby. As a user, I don't particularly care what language
> something is in. For example, darcs is in Haskell. So what? I can still
> emerge it.
>
As you said, libraries found in dev-lib does not concern our users at all.
Usually these are frameworks which various developers uses to build
their apps.
Since devs are much more interested by them, I would say it is best to
classify from dev perspective.

I don't have anything against current classification as dev-libs but it
seems that it is a bit overcrowded. Maybe we should use another criteria
for classification, but what would that be?
It would certainly be a disaster if we choose to put lib-foo in dev-db
just because mysql is build on top of it! It would overload categories
that means something to users with dozens of obscure libs, without any
relevance for average gentooer.
IMO libs should have their categories, separate by popular packages.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] dev-libs => dev-cpp moves

[Mike Frysinger]

On Friday 06 May 2005 10:33 am, Donnie Berkholz wrote:
> Aaron Walker wrote:
> > Hey guys/gals,
> >
> > There are a sleu of C++-only libs in dev-libs that IMO belong in dev-cpp:
>
> Why is language a good way to sort these? I think they should be sorted
> by function.

i'd agree but i'm a bit apathetic about it

some of those packages make sense though like STLport ...
-mike
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Re: [gentoo-dev] dev-libs => dev-cpp moves

[Mike Frysinger]

On Thursday 05 May 2005 11:41 pm, Aaron Walker wrote:
> dev-libs/DFB++

i'd like to keep this with DirectFB which has a bunch of packages all in 
dev-libs

although DirectFB and friends would prob make more sense under say 
'media-libs' ?
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Re: [gentoo-dev] dev-libs => dev-cpp moves

[Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò]

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On Friday 06 May 2005 17:19, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> although DirectFB and friends would prob make more sense under say
> 'media-libs' ?
Why media? Seems more like drivers, about DirectFB, than media-libs.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] dev-libs => dev-cpp moves

[Mike Frysinger]

On Friday 06 May 2005 11:25 am, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote:
> On Friday 06 May 2005 17:19, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> > although DirectFB and friends would prob make more sense under say
> > 'media-libs' ?
>
> Why media? Seems more like drivers, about DirectFB, than media-libs.

yes, it is just a driver (and then some) for the frame buffer ... but what do 
you do with the fb other than play media ? :)
-mike

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Re: [gentoo-dev] dev-libs => dev-cpp moves

[Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò]

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On Friday 06 May 2005 17:38, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> yes, it is just a driver (and then some) for the frame buffer ... but what
> do you do with the fb other than play media ? :):)
Games? Something-other-than-media-which-is-not-yet-present? :)

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Re: [gentoo-dev] dev-libs => dev-cpp moves

[Mike Frysinger]

On Friday 06 May 2005 11:44 am, Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò wrote:
> On Friday 06 May 2005 17:38, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> > yes, it is just a driver (and then some) for the frame buffer ... but
> > what do you do with the fb other than play media ? :):)
>
> Games? Something-other-than-media-which-is-not-yet-present? :)

as lead games dev i think media-libs makes sense

ha trumped you !
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Re: [gentoo-dev] dev-libs => dev-cpp moves

[Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò]

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On Friday 06 May 2005 19:45, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> as lead games dev i think media-libs makes sense
I'd prerfere base-system in this case ;)

> ha trumped you !
*speak of something with sed*

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Re: [gentoo-dev] dev-libs => dev-cpp moves

[Mark Loeser]

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Aaron Walker wrote:
> Hey guys/gals,
> 
> There are a sleu of C++-only libs in dev-libs that IMO belong in dev-cpp:
> 
> dev-libs/socketstream

If you are moving that one to dev-cpp, then you may want to move:
net-libs/socket++ along with it.

Mark
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Re: [gentoo-dev] dev-libs => dev-cpp moves

[Henrik Brix Andersen]

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On Thu, 2005-05-05 at 23:41 -0400, Aaron Walker wrote:
> There are a sleu of C++-only libs in dev-libs that IMO belong in dev-cpp:

I know it's a bit late for this, but I'm slowly catching up on my unread
emails:

dev-cpp sounds like stuff releated to a C pre-processor? Can't
categories contain the '+' char? e.g dev-c++?

Sincerely,
Brix
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Re: [gentoo-dev] dev-libs => dev-cpp moves

[Mike Frysinger]

On Monday 09 May 2005 08:35 am, Henrik Brix Andersen wrote:
> On Thu, 2005-05-05 at 23:41 -0400, Aaron Walker wrote:
> > There are a sleu of C++-only libs in dev-libs that IMO belong in dev-cpp:
>
> dev-cpp sounds like stuff releated to a C pre-processor? Can't
> categories contain the '+' char? e.g dev-c++?

we did relax the requirement on package names so they can contain '+' in them, 
but i think we should keep our unspoken anal rules about category names ... 
only alphanumeric and a single '-'
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Re: [gentoo-dev] dev-libs => dev-cpp moves

[Phil Richards]

On 2005-05-09, Mike Frysinger <vapier@gentoo.org> wrote:
>  On Monday 09 May 2005 08:35 am, Henrik Brix Andersen wrote:
> > On Thu, 2005-05-05 at 23:41 -0400, Aaron Walker wrote:
> > > There are a sleu of C++-only libs in dev-libs that IMO belong in dev-cpp:
> > dev-cpp sounds like stuff releated to a C pre-processor? Can't
> > categories contain the '+' char? e.g dev-c++?
>  we did relax the requirement on package names so they can contain '+' in them, 
>  but i think we should keep our unspoken anal rules about category names ... 
>  only alphanumeric and a single '-'
>  -mike

Might I suggest dev-cxx?  CXX is a fairly common ASCIIfication of C++,
after all.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] dev-libs => dev-cpp moves

[Mike Frysinger]

On Monday 09 May 2005 02:23 pm, Phil Richards wrote:
> On 2005-05-09, Mike Frysinger <vapier@gentoo.org> wrote:
> >  On Monday 09 May 2005 08:35 am, Henrik Brix Andersen wrote:
> > > On Thu, 2005-05-05 at 23:41 -0400, Aaron Walker wrote:
> > > > There are a sleu of C++-only libs in dev-libs that IMO belong in
> > > > dev-cpp:
> > >
> > > dev-cpp sounds like stuff releated to a C pre-processor? Can't
> > > categories contain the '+' char? e.g dev-c++?
> >
> >  we did relax the requirement on package names so they can contain '+' in
> > them, but i think we should keep our unspoken anal rules about category
> > names ... only alphanumeric and a single '-'
> >  -mike
>
> Might I suggest dev-cxx?  CXX is a fairly common ASCIIfication of C++,
> after all.

maybe, but cpp is almost as common and not really worth the hassle of a 
category rename
-mike
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