From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from egr.msu.edu (jeeves.egr.msu.edu [35.9.37.127]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j3OJDxMI027054 for ; Sun, 24 Apr 2005 19:13:59 GMT Received: from [192.168.0.50] (user-feff18.user.msu.edu [35.11.210.211]) (authenticated bits=0) by egr.msu.edu (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j3OJE72X000719 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 24 Apr 2005 15:14:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <426BF04E.7000105@egr.msu.edu> Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2005 15:15:26 -0400 From: Alec Warner User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20050219) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] cleaning out 'bc' and 'ed' from system References: <20050422064651.GA7439@sympatico.ca> <4268A33F.9070704@gentoo.org> <20050424144556.A26350@leftmind.net> In-Reply-To: <20050424144556.A26350@leftmind.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.90.2.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: f6889a26-ffc7-44a6-8383-4f26fce55093 X-Archives-Hash: 642e66a43caf4fd665ac52b2e399cd64 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Anthony de Boer wrote: > Alin Nastac wrote: > >>when was the last time you used ed? it is a completely useless editor, >>peeps use vim instead. > > > I use "vi", not "vim", though of course the former is a symlink to the > latter on Linux systems for the last number of years. > > Last time I used ed was on an RH system with a broken /usr mount; vi > was on that partition, but ed lived in /bin, so I used it to fix > /etc/fstab. Using ed is like riding a bicycle; you remember pretty > quickly how to use it. But then, I've been using Unix since halfway > back to the Epoch. > > >>anyway, who says you cannot install ed if you want it so bad? > The baseline should be as barebones as possible. Offering a set of > things useful to the new user is a useful default, but should be only > that, not a set of things you have to accept if you want to pick and > choose stuff yourself. > The base-install doesn't include a lot of things I would consider essential on most systems ( log daemon, cron, mta ) yet those are not in system. That is the primary reason why we have a handbook and ask that people both read and follow it. If it's generally agreed that something is important to a system it can always be added there as a suggestion for installation besides the more...obvious things. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iQIVAwUBQmvwTmzglR5RwbyYAQL1sA/+NXowmPRbAkhTbnbHoD2DHmqw+QXf23Ia Qyra8NWywbC+oTo+SSKWwwcQMwW/uZQ+GsVdRvKCzWkHAhun35zvS82VLQYWbYDG hRgWpmUOPsIvZdfWURublmGkTeRmV1a9K4FQG6NlPrddGoGdDeNfe88NG7M5QYhG sowJzLQJ4B2Lm/PDc5KbJccZ78ckckcnaxoxW21w8kLrpvd3T0IqUQ5Z63a0oXNi L+ftsc8Z5lYQf1zeSNIltGpwbOLYoVJDm5KutSTPoHnpgf2hCMDWrDG8GclgK/ZN HAGzM0U3L7m4sOWHwgRk65zLorI+rEoNnyVRdHpfXbO2+MdB8sBA4MTLqj3Ou7s4 ifKDFmJz+ZJFpZ4NuXTTZAtMO4g8Kc3DXYdyoq/rGqZFsCFqbaRpdXl9zf/deRmJ ZWOQU+U8V7i/aydosRzNUp8aFHY0P0vmCub5q7L5X7Xc5/KAXbaIp5GUcIXgunZJ vfR0J+MM7CSi/r+ZCf9d/aL04xG/YhYC7Gd7DcGIz+T16PiW/3DHsBMfRJzoLixR ECAf3CITqj+phA6jg6Lf7pBxFqx08qdUjMM6kRghTZ39NpRM26GassVzZnAL4X8y moIJ2OEVel2CFsfiYhU1vdQMKVop7mLjfAQ4j1J0GxRK2BOAhOD2fp9eh7vPvLHw kemQXSK42oQ= =+Bbo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list