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(217.156.27.36) by mx.ineton.ro with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 10 Mar 2005 00:57:20 +0200 Message-ID: <422F7F4B.4090406@gentoo.org> Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 00:57:15 +0200 From: Alin Nastac Organization: Gentoo Foundation User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (X11/20041209) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-To: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@robin.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Please follow keywording policy References: <20050308185536.58ecbe3c@enterprise.weeve.org> <422EA7E2.4040206@gentoo.org> <422EFCA6.2010607@gentoo.org> <422F0D2E.1040301@gentoo.org> <20050309162258.624316be@snowdrop> <422F3482.8020607@gentoo.org> <20050309183846.426af19a@snowdrop> <422F46F3.4030208@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.89.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enigB451BEE7CB54DBF5A5C82280" X-Archives-Salt: 27e479f9-26eb-4146-8c4b-a533bd74c68c X-Archives-Hash: ca8abd4e58a66bfd31dad2d416859b82 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigB451BEE7CB54DBF5A5C82280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Stefan Schweizer wrote: >On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 20:56:51 +0200, Alin Nastac wrote: > > >>Okay, I buy it. >> >>a) Devs, who has a fcdsl, fcdsl2, fcdslsl, fcdslusb and/or fcdslslusb >>(AVM FRITZ!Card DSL)? Step up and take net-dialup/fcdsl under your wing! >> >> >I got two of these donated by AVM (fcdslusb and fcdslsl). And >additionally a fcusb for net-dialup/fritzcapi >I think all the AVM-drivers in the tree are covered by me. > >I dont think that it means that you are a bad maintainer when you do >not own the hardware. But if you dont like the work you should not do >it, please tell us then, I am ready to take over as much as I can to >help you. > > You already help me a lot, Stefan, and I thank you for that. I don't really intend to drop my jobs to others - this isn't me, I take my responsibilities very seriously. But if you think you'll be doing a better job by taking it, please, be my guest. I don't want to appear as the guy who broked Gentoo's QA procedures... I'm only annoyed by the bad attitude of some devs who will get involved only what suits them, forgetting that if they would not help, no one will. Btw, what is the sense of ~arch if not "testing"? No gentooer expects from a ~arch ebuild to be stable, so the sky would not fall if you made a mistake and release it under this keyword. When I hear "I cannot mark foo library as ~arch because I don't know how to test it" smells like excuse to me. As for QA... does anyone think we *can* have proper QA procedures, with our release speed and decentralized development model? And with only ... 350 devs from which God knows how many are still active? :-D Who thinks that clearly doesn't have a clue what QA means. It is practically impossible to test every combination of ebuilds/USE/CFLAGS so all we do is a surface test, letting the burden of testing on the shoulders of our users. Despite of our unorthodox development process, many people believes (including me) that our distro surclass traditional ones and is generally more stable (go figure!). Maybe I'm too exigent, but I only ask from people to do what I do : be genuinely interested in helping the devs who need it. Heck, I always try to help any gentooer, dev or not. We all have our little systems because our predecesors have worked on it, not because they sit down and debated whether to mark foo ebuild as ~arch or not. >>c)... >> >>In fact, who has any device that would work with some driver from >>net-dialup? I don't have _any_ device at all! >> >> >Do you have a dsl-connection? >How do you connect to the internet? > > I do have a dsl connection, but it is through a modem with an eth interface, so I need no driver. --------------enigB451BEE7CB54DBF5A5C82280 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCL39PRZBYwhawvi4RAuw8AJwO+7Zwp/5hh/NYqL3G1yWpd+JuKgCeJvFW y24QnvV5a1zEHn2ZE22OMYI= =loTd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigB451BEE7CB54DBF5A5C82280-- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list