[gentoo-dev] Small irritation: Can people please stop sending their posts in duplicate...

[gentoo-dev] Small irritation: Can people please stop sending their posts in duplicate...

[Stuart Longland]

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Hi All,
	Sorry for the noise... but a number of people have started sending to
${LIST}@gentoo.org, CCing to ${LIST}@lists.gentoo.org -- resulting in
duplicate emails being sent to this end.

	If possible, can people kindly pick one, or the other -- and not both?

	Incidentally, I've fixed the problem with using robin.gentoo.org... I
could've filtered on other headers...but what I've done instead is put
the following in my .mailfilter file (Yes, I use maildrop here):

if (/Cc: *!.*!@.*.gentoo.org/)
{
         xfilter "sed -e 's/$MATCH3/@lists.gentoo.org/'"
}

if (/To: *!.*!@.*.gentoo.org/)
{
         xfilter "sed -e 's/$MATCH3/@lists.gentoo.org/'"
}

(There's probably a way to combine those into one... but I can't be
arsed looking. ;-)

Regards,
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Small irritation: Can people please stop sending their posts in duplicate...

[M. Edward (Ed) Borasky]

Stuart Longland wrote:

> Hi All,
>     Sorry for the noise... but a number of people have started sending to
> ${LIST}@gentoo.org, CCing to ${LIST}@lists.gentoo.org -- resulting in
> duplicate emails being sent to this end.

For some reason, Thunderbird is generating this when you hit the "Reply 
all" button. I usually notice it and delete the CC. Is there something 
in the headers of the messages *to* the list that's inspiring 
Thunderbird to behave this way?
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Small irritation: Can people please stop sending their posts in duplicate...

[Lance Albertson]

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M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote:
> Stuart Longland wrote:
> 
>> Hi All,
>>     Sorry for the noise... but a number of people have started sending to
>> ${LIST}@gentoo.org, CCing to ${LIST}@lists.gentoo.org -- resulting in
>> duplicate emails being sent to this end.
> 
> 
> For some reason, Thunderbird is generating this when you hit the "Reply
> all" button. I usually notice it and delete the CC. Is there something
> in the headers of the messages *to* the list that's inspiring
> Thunderbird to behave this way?

I've mentioned this to our list admin and we'll see what we can do. Should be a
simple fix I hope!

Cheers,

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Small irritation: Can people please stop sending their posts in duplicate...

[Nick Rout]

On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 08:56:11 -0600
Lance Albertson wrote:
> 
> I've mentioned this to our list admin and we'll see what we can do. Should be a
> simple fix I hope!

I suspect the same thing is happening on gentoo-user where I just posted a minor rant about the same annoying thing. Now if there is a fix needed to the server, could it be applied there too?

please
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Small irritation: Can people please stop sending their posts in duplicate...

[Luke-Jr]

http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40980

On Monday 28 February 2005 13:29, Stuart Longland wrote:
> Hi All,
>  Sorry for the noise... but a number of people have started sending to
> ${LIST}@gentoo.org, CCing to ${LIST}@lists.gentoo.org -- resulting in
> duplicate emails being sent to this end.
>
>  If possible, can people kindly pick one, or the other -- and not both?
>
>  Incidentally, I've fixed the problem with using robin.gentoo.org... I
> could've filtered on other headers...but what I've done instead is put
> the following in my .mailfilter file (Yes, I use maildrop here):
>
> if (/Cc: *!.*!@.*.gentoo.org/)
> {
>          xfilter "sed -e 's/$MATCH3/@lists.gentoo.org/'"
> }
>
> if (/To: *!.*!@.*.gentoo.org/)
> {
>          xfilter "sed -e 's/$MATCH3/@lists.gentoo.org/'"
> }
>
> (There's probably a way to combine those into one... but I can't be
> arsed looking. ;-)
>
> Regards,
> --
> +-------------------------------------------------------------+
>
> | Stuart Longland -oOo- http://stuartl.longlandclan.hopto.org |
> | Atomic Linux Project     -oOo-    http://atomicl.berlios.de |
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>
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Small irritation: Can people please stop sending their posts in duplicate...

[Mike Frysinger]

On Monday 28 February 2005 02:55 pm, Luke-Jr wrote:
> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40980

now if only there was a way to break the fingers of top posters ...
-mike
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Small irritation: Can people please stop sending their posts in duplicate...

[D. Wokan]

Sure there is...
http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20021103&mode=classic
... and as soon as I know what port it's controlled through, I'll adjust 
my firewall.  Get me while you can.

Mike Frysinger wrote:

>On Monday 28 February 2005 02:55 pm, Luke-Jr wrote:
>  
>
>>http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=40980
>>    
>>
>
>now if only there was a way to break the fingers of top posters ...
>-mike
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>  
>

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Small irritation: Can people please stop sending their posts in duplicate...

[D. Wokan]

Stuart Longland wrote:

> Hi All,
>     Sorry for the noise... but a number of people have started sending to
> ${LIST}@gentoo.org, CCing to ${LIST}@lists.gentoo.org -- resulting in
> duplicate emails being sent to this end.
>
>     If possible, can people kindly pick one, or the other -- and not 
> both?
>
>     Incidentally, I've fixed the problem with using robin.gentoo.org... I
> could've filtered on other headers...but what I've done instead is put
> the following in my .mailfilter file (Yes, I use maildrop here):
>
> if (/Cc: *!.*!@.*.gentoo.org/)
> {
>         xfilter "sed -e 's/$MATCH3/@lists.gentoo.org/'"
> }
>
> if (/To: *!.*!@.*.gentoo.org/)
> {
>         xfilter "sed -e 's/$MATCH3/@lists.gentoo.org/'"
> }
>
> (There's probably a way to combine those into one... but I can't be
> arsed looking. ;-)
>
> Regards,
> -- 
> +-------------------------------------------------------------+
> | Stuart Longland -oOo- http://stuartl.longlandclan.hopto.org |
> | Atomic Linux Project     -oOo-    http://atomicl.berlios.de |
> | - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - |
> | I haven't lost my mind - it's backed up on a tape somewhere |
> +-------------------------------------------------------------+

The problem is in the lack of standardization between mailing lists.  
I've gotten used to just hitting reply-all instead of just reply because 
a number of lists I'm on don't set the reply-to header like the Gentoo 
lists do.  The first time I saw the too addresses in my recipients, I 
thought maybe one was some kind of backup list system, but then I saw my 
reply double-posted.

I'll try to keep an eye on what's going on in each list that I reply to, 
but I don't think this is really going to be solved until someone 
hammers an RFC on it down the Internet's throat.  (But even that may not 
be enough.  After all, Outlook Express never did use dash, dash, space 
to start a signature.)
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Small irritation: Can people please stop sending their posts in duplicate...

[Anthony Gorecki]

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On Monday, February 28, 2005 10:59 pm, D. Wokan wrote:
> The problem is in the lack of standardization between mailing lists.
> I've gotten used to just hitting reply-all instead of just reply because
> a number of lists I'm on don't set the reply-to header like the Gentoo
> lists do. 

Even better, a good MUA may actually /obey/ the standards and send mail to 
List-Post address when asked to reply to the list. Setting the Reply-To 
header can be aggravating for many users. A sane mail client will generally 
offer the following, with the required address computed in the order below:

Reply to mailing list: List-Post, To
Reply: From
Reply to all: (List-Post|To) && From


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Ectro-Linux Foundation

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Small irritation: Can people please stop sending their posts in duplicate...

[Anthony Gorecki]

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On Monday, February 28, 2005 11:30 pm, Anthony Gorecki wrote:
> Reply to mailing list: List-Post, To
> Reply: From
> Reply to all: (List-Post|To) && From

Sorry, I missed adding the note about Reply-To and B?CC being absent in the 
source message; if Reply-To was present, it would be given priority in 
addresses of the same context.


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Ectro-Linux Foundation

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Small irritation: Can people please stop sending their posts in duplicate...

[Stuart Longland]

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D. Wokan wrote:
> Stuart Longland wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>     Sorry for the noise... but a number of people have started sending to
>> ${LIST}@gentoo.org, CCing to ${LIST}@lists.gentoo.org -- resulting in
>> duplicate emails being sent to this end.
>>
>>     If possible, can people kindly pick one, or the other -- and not
>> both?
>>
>
> The problem is in the lack of standardization between mailing lists.
> I've gotten used to just hitting reply-all instead of just reply because
> a number of lists I'm on don't set the reply-to header like the Gentoo
> lists do.  The first time I saw the too addresses in my recipients, I
> thought maybe one was some kind of backup list system, but then I saw my
> reply double-posted.

Agreed.  Most do set the List-ID header -- looking at your email headers
here -- I see the following...

> List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-dev@gentoo.org>
> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-dev+help@gentoo.org>
> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+unsubscribe@gentoo.org>
> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+subscribe@gentoo.org>
> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-dev.gentoo.org>

...and some email clients (KMail comes to mind) are even able to
directly use this information.  Some for instance provide Unsubscribe
and Reply-To-Post buttons.  Unfortunately Thunderbird (the mail client I
use most of the time) doesn't have these features.

(I'm tempted to do some maildrop/xfilter/perl magic to emulate these
features though)

> I'll try to keep an eye on what's going on in each list that I reply to,
> but I don't think this is really going to be solved until someone
> hammers an RFC on it down the Internet's throat.  (But even that may not
> be enough.  After all, Outlook Express never did use dash, dash, space
> to start a signature.)

Knowing Microsoft... they'll probably implement the bits they like...
tack on their own extensions and completely ignore the rest of it.
(Embrace, Extend & Break)  Which is unfortunate for its users.

However, so long as we don't completely break those clients (i.e. it's
still usable) then all should be fine.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Small irritation: Can people please stop sending their posts in duplicate...

[Anthony Gorecki]

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On Monday, February 28, 2005 11:59 pm, Stuart Longland wrote:
> ...and some email clients (KMail comes to mind) are even able to
> directly use this information.

Do we have any Mutt users that can comment on support for this?


> (I'm tempted to do some maildrop/xfilter/perl magic to emulate these
> features though)

Procmail rules are horrifying enough to be helpful as well :)


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Small irritation: Can people please stop sending their posts in duplicate...

[Stuart Longland]

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Anthony Gorecki wrote:
> On Monday, February 28, 2005 11:59 pm, Stuart Longland wrote:
>
>>...and some email clients (KMail comes to mind) are even able to
>>directly use this information.
>
> Do we have any Mutt users that can comment on support for this?

Something tells me this is another one that supports this -- but I'm not
sure.


>>(I'm tempted to do some maildrop/xfilter/perl magic to emulate these
>>features though)
>
> Procmail rules are horrifying enough to be helpful as well :)

lol Don't remind me of procmail.  I used to use it... the moment I heard
about maildrop, I dropped procmail quick smart, and haven't looked back.

Procmail, while being a very good workhorse, the syntax of its files is
pathetic IMHO. (Just like another well-known mail package, Sendmail)  It
honestly looks like someone's beaten their head against the keyboard....
if you're not familiar with it -- it's enough for someone to want to
contribute in the same manner.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Small irritation: Can people please stop sending their posts in duplicate...

[Georgi Georgiev]

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maillog: 01/03/2005-19:52:45(+1000): Stuart Longland types
> Anthony Gorecki wrote:
> >On Monday, February 28, 2005 11:59 pm, Stuart Longland wrote:
> >
> >>...and some email clients (KMail comes to mind) are even able to
> >>directly use this information.
> >
> >Do we have any Mutt users that can comment on support for this?
> 
> Something tells me this is another one that supports this -- but I'm not
> sure.

No it doesn't. Either that, or my muttrc if screwed.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Small irritation: Can people please stop sending their posts in duplicate...

[Georgi Georgiev]

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maillog: 01/03/2005-21:17:15(+0900): Георги Георгиев types
> maillog: 01/03/2005-19:52:45(+1000): Stuart Longland types
> > Anthony Gorecki wrote:
> > >On Monday, February 28, 2005 11:59 pm, Stuart Longland wrote:
> > >
> > >>...and some email clients (KMail comes to mind) are even able to
> > >>directly use this information.
> > >
> > >Do we have any Mutt users that can comment on support for this?
> > 
> > Something tells me this is another one that supports this -- but I'm not
> > sure.
> 
> No it doesn't. Either that, or my muttrc if screwed.

  No it doesn't. Either that, or my muttrc IS screwed.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Small irritation: Can people please stop sending their posts in duplicate...

[Bill Davidson]

On 00:20 Tue 01 Mar     , Anthony Gorecki wrote:
> On Monday, February 28, 2005 11:59 pm, Stuart Longland wrote:
> > ...and some email clients (KMail comes to mind) are even able to
> > directly use this information.
> 
> Do we have any Mutt users that can comment on support for this?

Mutt supports this. You have to configure it though. In my ~/.muttrc I have:

subscribe gentoo-user

When I hit the 'L' key, the reply goes to the gentoo-user list. I'm not sure
which header it reads though.

Bill
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Small irritation: Can people please stop sending their posts in duplicate...

[Maurice van der Pot]

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On Tue, Mar 01, 2005 at 10:02:34AM -0500, Bill Davidson wrote:
> Mutt supports this. You have to configure it though. In my ~/.muttrc I have:
> 
> subscribe gentoo-user
> 
> When I hit the 'L' key, the reply goes to the gentoo-user list. I'm not sure
> which header it reads though.

Apparently the to, as you may be able to see from this message. If you
for instance have "subscribe gentoo-dev@gentoo.org" in your
configuration and the to contains @robin.gentoo.org, mutt will report
that no mailing lists were found.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Small irritation: Can people please stop sending their posts in duplicate...

[Georgi Georgiev]

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maillog: 01/03/2005-19:47:05(+0100): Maurice van der Pot types
> On Tue, Mar 01, 2005 at 10:02:34AM -0500, Bill Davidson wrote:
> > Mutt supports this. You have to configure it though. In my ~/.muttrc I have:
> > 
> > subscribe gentoo-user
> > 
> > When I hit the 'L' key, the reply goes to the gentoo-user list. I'm not sure
> > which header it reads though.
> 
> Apparently the to, as you may be able to see from this message. If you
> for instance have "subscribe gentoo-dev@gentoo.org" in your
> configuration and the to contains @robin.gentoo.org, mutt will report
> that no mailing lists were found.

And if you have "subscribe gentoo-dev" and the To: has
gentoo-dev@{robin.,}gentoo.org it will send it to both addresses when
you hit the To. The idea of "subscribe" is to tell mutt to put the
Mail-Followup-To: header (because you are subscribed and don't want a
reply coming to you as well) more than anything else.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Small irritation: Can people please stop sending their posts in duplicate...

[Georgi Georgiev]

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Something is very wrong with me...

maillog: 02/03/2005-10:26:52(+0900): Георги Георгиев types
> And if you have "subscribe gentoo-dev" and the To: has
> gentoo-dev@{robin.,}gentoo.org it will send it to both addresses when
> you hit the To.

**you hit the 'L'.


> The idea of "subscribe" is to tell mutt to put the
> Mail-Followup-To: header (because you are subscribed and don't want a
> reply coming to you as well) more than anything else.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Small irritation: Can people please stop sending their posts in duplicate...

[Maurice van der Pot]

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On Wed, Mar 02, 2005 at 10:30:33AM +0900, Georgi Georgiev wrote:
> > The idea of "subscribe" is to tell mutt to put the
> > Mail-Followup-To: header (because you are subscribed and don't want a
> > reply coming to you as well) more than anything else.

But at the moment it also determines the addresses that should be
considered as list addresses, right? So how should that be fixed?
Shouldn't mutt really use list-post?

Maurice
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[gentoo-dev] Re: Small irritation: Can people please stop sending their posts in duplicate...

[Torsten Veller]

* Georgi Georgiev <chutz@gg3.net>:
> maillog: 01/03/2005-19:47:05(+0100): Maurice van der Pot types
> > On Tue, Mar 01, 2005 at 10:02:34AM -0500, Bill Davidson wrote:
> > > Mutt supports this. You have to configure it though. In my ~/.muttrc I have:
> > > 
> > > subscribe gentoo-user
> > > 
> > > When I hit the 'L' key, the reply goes to the gentoo-user list. I'm not sure
> > > which header it reads though.
> > 
> > Apparently the to, as you may be able to see from this message. If you
> > for instance have "subscribe gentoo-dev@gentoo.org" in your
> > configuration and the to contains @robin.gentoo.org, mutt will report
> > that no mailing lists were found.
> 
> And if you have "subscribe gentoo-dev" and the To: has

gentoo-dev matches gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org as well as
gentoo-dev@gentoo.org as well as gentoo-dev@robin.gentoo.org.
(Your Mail-Followup-To: includes gentoo-dev@gentoo.org and
gentoo-dev@robin.gentoo.org).

> gentoo-dev@{robin.,}gentoo.org it will send it to both addresses when
> you hit the To. The idea of "subscribe" is to tell mutt to put the
> Mail-Followup-To: header (because you are subscribed and don't want a
> reply coming to you as well) more than anything else.

lists gentoo-[0-9a-z-]+@gentoo\\.org
subscribe gentoo-[0-9a-z-]+@gentoo\\.org

and 

set honor_followup_to=ask-yes
set reply_to=ask-no
# Fix broken mailing list software
set ignore_list_reply_to=yes

works like a charme.
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Small irritation: Can people please stop sending their posts in duplicate...

[Georgi Georgiev]

maillog: 02/03/2005-11:04:38(+0100): Torsten Veller types
> * Georgi Georgiev <chutz@gg3.net>:
> > maillog: 01/03/2005-19:47:05(+0100): Maurice van der Pot types
> > > On Tue, Mar 01, 2005 at 10:02:34AM -0500, Bill Davidson wrote:
> > > > Mutt supports this. You have to configure it though. In my ~/.muttrc I have:
> > > > 
> > > > subscribe gentoo-user
> > > > 
> > > > When I hit the 'L' key, the reply goes to the gentoo-user list. I'm not sure
> > > > which header it reads though.
> > > 
> > > Apparently the to, as you may be able to see from this message. If you
> > > for instance have "subscribe gentoo-dev@gentoo.org" in your
> > > configuration and the to contains @robin.gentoo.org, mutt will report
> > > that no mailing lists were found.
> > 
> > And if you have "subscribe gentoo-dev" and the To: has
> 
> gentoo-dev matches gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org as well as
> gentoo-dev@gentoo.org as well as gentoo-dev@robin.gentoo.org.
> (Your Mail-Followup-To: includes gentoo-dev@gentoo.org and
> gentoo-dev@robin.gentoo.org).
> 
> > gentoo-dev@{robin.,}gentoo.org it will send it to both addresses when
> > you hit the To. The idea of "subscribe" is to tell mutt to put the
> > Mail-Followup-To: header (because you are subscribed and don't want a
> > reply coming to you as well) more than anything else.
> 
> lists gentoo-[0-9a-z-]+@gentoo\\.org
> subscribe gentoo-[0-9a-z-]+@gentoo\\.org

Only that some people send *only* to robin.gentoo.org and mutt won't
catch those as being sent to a list you're subscribed to.

> and 
> 
> set honor_followup_to=ask-yes
> set reply_to=ask-no
> # Fix broken mailing list software
> set ignore_list_reply_to=yes
> 
> works like a charme.
> -- 
> --
> gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list
> 

-- 
\    Georgi Georgiev   \  I FOR without NEXT, 0:1                      \
 /    chutz@gg3.net     /                                               /
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Small irritation: Can people please stop sending their posts in duplicate...

[Colin Kingsley]

What I gather from this thread is that not every mailing list is
perfect, and not every mail client is perfect, so every now and then,
somebody gets a duplicate mail. Not the end of the world. Get over it.

What I would like clarified is what is the propper address for gentoo
mailing lists now? <list>@robin.gentoo.org, or <list>@gentoo.org. Or
are both ok?

Colin
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Small irritation: Can people please stop sending their posts in duplicate...

[Colin Kingsley]

What I gather from this thread is that not every mailing list is
perfect, and not every mail client is perfect, so every now and then,
somebody gets a duplicate mail. Not the end of the world. Get over it.

What I would like clarified is what is the propper address for gentoo
mailing lists now? <list>@robin.gentoo.org, or <list>@gentoo.org. Or
are both ok?

Colin
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Small irritation: Can people please stop sending their posts in duplicate...

[Chris Gianelloni]

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On Wed, 2005-03-02 at 13:12 -0500, Colin Kingsley wrote:
> What I gather from this thread is that not every mailing list is
> perfect, and not every mail client is perfect, so every now and then,
> somebody gets a duplicate mail. Not the end of the world. Get over it.

Yes, but when you deliberately have the EXACT SAME LIST in both the TO
and the CC field, it is really annoying and your own fault for causing
more list traffic.

> What I would like clarified is what is the propper address for gentoo
> mailing lists now? <list>@robin.gentoo.org, or <list>@gentoo.org. Or
> are both ok?

You can send to either one.

-- 
Chris Gianelloni
Release Engineering - Strategic Lead/QA Manager
Games - Developer
Gentoo Linux

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[gentoo-dev] Re: Small irritation: Can people please stop sending their posts in duplicate...

[Torsten Veller]

* Chris Gianelloni <wolf31o2@gentoo.org>:
> On Wed, 2005-03-02 at 13:12 -0500, Colin Kingsley wrote:
> > What I gather from this thread is that not every mailing list is
> > perfect, and not every mail client is perfect, so every now and then,
> > somebody gets a duplicate mail. Not the end of the world. Get over it.
> 
> Yes, but when you deliberately have the EXACT SAME LIST in both the TO
> and the CC field, it is really annoying and your own fault for causing
> more list traffic.

To: is rewritten - so not his fault that both header contain the same
address :)

> > What I would like clarified is what is the propper address for gentoo
> > mailing lists now? <list>@robin.gentoo.org, or <list>@gentoo.org. Or
> > are both ok?
> 
> You can send to either one.

only listname@g.o (as stated in every header) would be best.
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Small irritation: Can people please stop sending their posts in duplicate...

[Donnie Berkholz]

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Chris Gianelloni wrote:
| On Wed, 2005-03-02 at 13:12 -0500, Colin Kingsley wrote:
|
|>What I gather from this thread is that not every mailing list is
|>perfect, and not every mail client is perfect, so every now and then,
|>somebody gets a duplicate mail. Not the end of the world. Get over it.
|
|
| Yes, but when you deliberately have the EXACT SAME LIST in both the TO
| and the CC field, it is really annoying and your own fault for causing
| more list traffic.
|
|
|>What I would like clarified is what is the propper address for gentoo
|>mailing lists now? <list>@robin.gentoo.org, or <list>@gentoo.org. Or
|>are both ok?
|
|
| You can send to either one.

It's pretty clear that sending to something that abstracts the
implementation (in this case, which box the lists are hosted on) is
better -- therefore, either @lists.gentoo.org (does this exist?) or
@gentoo.org, not @robin.gentoo.org.
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Small irritation: Can people please stop sending their posts in duplicate...

[Georgi Georgiev]

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maillog: 02/03/2005-13:38:02(-0500): Chris Gianelloni types
> On Wed, 2005-03-02 at 13:12 -0500, Colin Kingsley wrote:
> > What I gather from this thread is that not every mailing list is
> > perfect, and not every mail client is perfect, so every now and then,
> > somebody gets a duplicate mail. Not the end of the world. Get over it.
> 
> Yes, but when you deliberately have the EXACT SAME LIST in both the TO
> and the CC field, it is really annoying and your own fault for causing
> more list traffic.
> 
> > What I would like clarified is what is the propper address for gentoo
> > mailing lists now? <list>@robin.gentoo.org, or <list>@gentoo.org. Or
> > are both ok?
> 
> You can send to either one.

Yep, we all figured that we *can*. The problem is, *should* we.

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/\    chutz@gg3.net    /\ build something that will last, at least     /\
\/  +81(90)6266-1163   \/ until they've finished building it.          \/

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Small irritation: Can people please stop sending their posts in duplicate...

[Alexander Simonov]

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On Tue, Mar 01, 2005 at 12:20:27AM -0800, Anthony Gorecki wrote:
>
>Do we have any Mutt users that can comment on support for this?
>
>
>> (I'm tempted to do some maildrop/xfilter/perl magic to emulate these
>> features though)
>
>Procmail rules are horrifying enough to be helpful as well :)
>
I am use mutt with sidebar patch.
I have get mail like this:
getmail->unafp->maildrop->mutt
unafp it's a Ukrainian National Antivirus.
In atach my configs of getmail,maildrop and mutt.

-- 
WBR, Alexander Simonov
Site Admin of Gentoo Community Ukraine
Site Admin of Fluxmod -  web site devoted to fluxbox users.
Site Admin of Russian Gentoo Wiki
web-site: http:///www.gentoo.org.ua
web-site: http://www.fluxmod.org.ua
web-site: http://ru.gentoo-wiki.com
e-mail: devil@gentoo.org.ua
ICQ#: 310029609
JabberID: devil@jabber.te.ua
JabberID: simonov@jabber.org

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# - maildrop mailinglist.
#   http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/courier-maildrop

# - Please browse the mailinglist archives for more examples.
#   http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum=courier-maildrop

# - Save this file as .mailfilter in your home directory and do
#   chmod 600 .mailfilter

# - Do not edit your .mailfilter file with a DOS or WINDOWS
#   texteditor!!


# - Linebreaking doesn't work inside a pattern. So the following 
#   rule cannot work:
#
#if (/^Subject:.*(exim|sendmail| \
#    gdm|xdm|imap|cgi)/)
#
#   and must be in one line:
#
# if (/^Subject:.*(exim|sendmail|gdm|xdm|imap|cgi)/)
#  
#  
# - Linebreaking only works for quotet text and between patterns:
#
#  "Imagine this is as a \
#                   long text string"
#
#
#if (/^To:.*mutt/ \
#  || /^[Cc][Cc]:.*mutt/)
# 


#####################################################################
#
# Let's tag all incoming messages
#
#####################################################################

#''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''
# .2root
#
#if (/^Subject:.*Cron/ || /^To:.*root/ ) 
#{
#   log "(II) Header set to: X-Dropzone-Flag: 2root"
#   xfilter "reformail -A'X-Dropzone-Flag: 2root'" 
#

#''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''
# .mailing lists and forums
#

#''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''
# .gentoo-wiki
if (/^List-Post:.*(users|devel)@gentoo-wiki.com/)
{
    log "(II) Header set to: X-Dropzone-Flag: lists.gentoo-wiki"
    xfilter "reformail -A'X-Dropzone-Flag: lists.gentoo-wiki'" 
}

#```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````
# gentoo-ru
if (/^List-Post:.*gentoo@lists.osdn.org.ua/)
{
    log "(II) Header set to: X-Dropzone-Flag: lists.gentoo-ru"
    xfilter "reformail -A'X-Dropzone-Flag: lists.gentoo-ru'"
}
#```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````
# gentoo-doc
if (/^List-Post:.*gentoo-doc-ru@gentoo.org/)
{
    log "(II) Header set to: X-Dropzone-Flag: lists.gentoo-doc-ru"
    xfilter "reformail -A'X-Dropzone-Flag: lists.gentoo-doc-ru'"
}
#```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````
# gentoo-book
if (/^List-Post:.*gentoobook@open-hill.com/)
{
    log "(II) Header set to: X-Dropzone-Flag: lists.gentoo-book"
    xfilter "reformail -A'X-Dropzone-Flag: lists.gentoo-book'"
}
#``````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````
# gentoo security
if (/^List-Post:.*gentoo-announce@lists.gentoo.org/)
{
    log "(II) Header set to: X-Dropzone-Flag: lists.gentoo-security"
    xfilter "reformail -A'X-Dropzone-Flag: lists.gentoo-security'"
}
#``````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````
# gentoo develop
if (/^List-Post:.*gentoo-dev@gentoo.org/)
{
    log "(II) Header set to: X-Dropzone-Flag: lists.gentoo-dev"
    xfilter "reformail -A'X-Dropzone-Flag: lists.gentoo-dev'"
}
#``````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````
# frenzy
if (/^List-Post:.*comp.soft.othos.frenzy-list@subscribe.ru/)
{
    log "(II) Header set to: X-Dropzone-Flag: lists.frenzy"
    xfilter "reformail -A'X-Dropzone-Flag: lists.frenzy'"
}
#`````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````
# linux.kiev.ua
if (/^List-Post:.*linux-list@linux.kiev.ua/)
{
    log "(II) Header set to: X-Dropzone-Flag: lists.linux-list"
    xfilter "reformail -A'X-Dropzone-Flag: lists.linux-list'"
}

#````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````
# lug
if (/^List-Post:.*lug@mercuri.mk.ua/)
{
    log "(II) Header set to: X-Dropzone-Flag: lists.lug"
    xfilter "reformail -A'X-Dropzone-Flag: lists.lug'"
}
#````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````
# lafox
if (/^List-Post:.*shopnews@lafox.net/)
{
    log "(II) Header set to: X-Dropzone-Flag: lists.lafox"
    xfilter "reformail -A'X-Dropzone-Flag: lists.lafox'"
}
#~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
# inbox
if (/^To:.*asimonov@hostopia.com/)
{
    log "(II) Header set to: X-Dropzone-Flag: simonov"
    xfilter "reformail -A'X-Dropzone-Flag: simonov'".
}
######################################################################
# Processing rules
######################################################################

#''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''
# .list.gentoo-wiki
if (/^X-Dropzone-Flag: lists.gentoo-wiki/)
{
    `test -d $HOME/.maildir/.lists.gentoo-wiki`   # make sure .lists.gentoo-wiki folder exists
    if( $RETURNCODE == 1 )
    {
	log "(II) Creating $HOME/.maildir/.lists.gentoo-wiki"
        `maildirmake -f list.gentoo-wiki $HOME/.maildir`
	log "(II) Subscribe for .lists.gentoo-wiki"
        `echo INBOX.lists.gentoo-wiki >> $MAILDIR/courierimapsubscribed`
    }
    to "$DEFAULT/.lists.gentoo-wiki/"
}
 

#````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````
# .lists.gentoo-ru
if (/^X-Dropzone-Flag: lists.gentoo-ru/)
{
    `test -d $HOME/.maildir/.lists.gentoo-ru`   # make sure .lists.gentoo-wiki folder exists
    if( $RETURNCODE == 1 )
    {
	log "(II) Creating $HOME/.maildir/.lists.gentoo-ru"
	`maildirmake -f list.gentoo-ru $HOME/.maildir`
	log "(II) Subscribe for .lists.gentoo-ru"
	`echo INBOX.lists.gentoo-ru >> $MAILDIR/courierimapsubscribed`
    }
    to "$DEFAULT/.lists.gentoo-ru/"
}
 
 
#```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````
# .list.gentoo-doc-ru
if (/^X-Dropzone-Flag:.*lists.gentoo-doc-ru/)
{
    `test -d $HOME/.maildir/.lists.gentoo-doc-ru`   # make sure .lists.gentoo-wiki folder exists
    if( $RETURNCODE == 1 )
    {
	log "(II) Creating $HOME/.maildir/.lists.gentoo-doc-ru"
	`maildirmake -f list.gentoo-doc-ru $HOME/.maildir`
	log "(II) Subscribe for .lists.gentoo-ru"
	`echo INBOX.lists.gentoo-doc-ru >> $MAILDIR/courierimapsubscribed`
    }
    to "$DEFAULT/.lists.gentoo-doc-ru/"
}
 

#``````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````
# gentoo-book
if (/^X-Dropzone-Flag:.*lists.gentoo-book/)
{
    `test -d $HOME/.maildir/.lists.gentoo-book`   # make sure .lists.gentoo-wiki folder exists
    if( $RETURNCODE == 1 )
    {
	log "(II) Creating $HOME/.maildir/.lists.gentoo-book"
	`maildirmake -f list.gentoo-book $HOME/.maildir`
	log "(II) Subscribe for .lists.gentoo-book"
	`echo INBOX.lists.gentoo-book >> $MAILDIR/courierimapsubscribed`
    }
    to "$DEFAULT/.lists.gentoo-book/"
}
 
 
#``````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````
# .gentoo-security
if (/^X-Dropzone-Flag:.*lists.gentoo-security/)
{
    `test -d $HOME/.maildir/.lists.gentoo-security`   # make sure .lists.gentoo-wiki folder exists
    if( $RETURNCODE == 1 )
    {
	log "(II) Creating $HOME/.maildir/.lists.gentoo-security"
	`maildirmake -f list.gentoo-security $HOME/.maildir`
	log "(II) Subscribe for .lists.gentoo-security"
	`echo INBOX.lists.gentoo-security >> $MAILDIR/courierimapsubscribed`
    }
    to "$DEFAULT/.lists.gentoo-security/"
}

#``````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````
# .gentoo-dev
if (/^X-Dropzone-Flag:.*lists.gentoo-dev/)
{
    `test -d $HOME/.maildir/.lists.gentoo-dev`   # make sure .lists.gentoo-wiki folder exists
    if( $RETURNCODE == 1 )
    {
	log "(II) Creating $HOME/.maildir/.lists.gentoo-dev"
	`maildirmake -f list.gentoo-dev $HOME/.maildir`
	log "(II) Subscribe for .lists.gentoo-dev"
	`echo INBOX.lists.gentoo-dev >> $MAILDIR/courierimapsubscribed`
    }
    to "$DEFAULT/.lists.gentoo-dev/"
}

#``````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````
# .frenzy
if (/^X-Dropzone-Flag:.*lists.frenzy/)
{
    `test -d $HOME/.maildir/.lists.frenzy`   # make sure .lists.gentoo-wiki folder exists
    if( $RETURNCODE == 1 )
    {
	log "(II) Creating $HOME/.maildir/.lists.frenzy"
	`maildirmake -f list.frenzy $HOME/.maildir`
	log "(II) Subscribe for .lists.frenzy"
	`echo INBOX.lists.frenzy >> $MAILDIR/courierimapsubscribed`
    }
    to "$DEFAULT/.lists.frenzy/"
} 

#```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````
# ..linux-list
if (/^X-Dropzone-Flag:.*lists.linux-list/)
{
    `test -d $HOME/.maildir/.lists.linux-list`   # make sure .lists.gentoo-wiki folder exists
    if( $RETURNCODE == 1 )
    {
	log "(II) Creating $HOME/.maildir/.lists.linux-list"
	`maildirmake -f list.linux-list $HOME/.maildir`
	log "(II) Subscribe for .lists.linux-list"
	`echo INBOX.lists.linux-list >> $MAILDIR/courierimapsubscribed`
    }
    to "$DEFAULT/.lists.linux-list/"
}
 

#```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````
# .lug
if (/^X-Dropzone-Flag:.*lists.lug/)
{
    `test -d $HOME/.maildir/.lists.lug`   # make sure .lists.gentoo-wiki folder exists
    if( $RETURNCODE == 1 )
    {
	log "(II) Creating $HOME/.maildir/.lists.lug"
	`maildirmake -f list.lug $HOME/.maildir`
	log "(II) Subscribe for .lists.lug"
	`echo INBOX.lists.lug >> $MAILDIR/courierimapsubscribed`
    }
    to "$DEFAULT/.lists.lug/"
}
 

#```````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````````
# .lafox
if (/^X-Dropzone-Flag:.*lists.lafox/)
{
    `test -d $HOME/.maildir/.lists.lafox`   # make sure .lists.gentoo-wiki folder exists
    if( $RETURNCODE == 1 )
    {
	log "(II) Creating $HOME/.maildir/.lists.lafox"
	`maildirmake -f list.lafox $HOME/.maildir`
	log "(II) Subscribe for .lists.lafox"
	`echo INBOX.lists.lafox >> $MAILDIR/courierimapsubscribed`
    }
    to "$DEFAULT/.lists.lafox/"
}
 

#''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''
# .simonov@hostopia.com
if (/^X-Dropzone-Flag:.*simonov/)
{
    `test -d $HOME/.maildir/.simonov`   # make sure .yourmailbox folder exists
    if( $RETURNCODE == 1 )
    {
	log "(II) Creating $HOME/.maildir/.simonov"
        `maildirmake -f simonov $HOME/.maildir`
	log "(II) Subscribe for .simonov mailbox"
        `echo INBOX.simonov >> $MAILDIR/courierimapsubscribed`
    }
    to "$DEFAULT/.simonov/"
}
 

 
#''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''
# everything else
#if (/^X-Dropzone-Flag:*/) 
    to "$DEFAULT/.inbox/"


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[retriever]
type = SimplePOP3Retriever
server = xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx
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#
# Use and distribute freely.
#
# Note: This file doesn't contain any personal customization, i.e.,
# using it won't make you send messages with my name in the header.
#
# Things to change: You probably want to change the "priv.rc" source
# command in the end of this file.  Also, it's likely you want to have 
# a look at the the $editor and $tmpdir variables.
#

#
# MIME settings
#

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auto_view application/x-chess application/x-lotus-notes
auto_view text/html application/x-gzip application/x-gunzip 
auto_view application/rtf application/x-rath
auto_view application/msword

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#
# A few of these may resemble Pine.  ups.
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bind	browser	<end>		last-entry
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bind	index	t		create-alias
bind	index	x		sync-mailbox
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bind	pager	<down>		next-line
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macro 	pager	"\ex"		":exec "
macro	generic	"\eX"		"\ex"
macro 	pager	"\eX"		"\ex"
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# move messages to the pilot folder

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# for majordomo list owner and moderator jobs

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# emulate the old URL-browser key bindings.

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# permit limiting from the pager.

macro   pager	";"	"<exit><limit>"

# emulate the old POP-feature bindings

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macro 	pager	G	"!getmail\n"

macro   compose "\ee"   "Fpgp -eatf " 

#
# Sidebox
#

bind	index	<pagedown>  next-mbox
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bind	pager	<pageup>    previous-mbox
bind	index	o   open-mbox
bind	pager	o   open-mbox

#
# Colors
#

# This is a tiny hack, so I can get different
# color schemes on the console and under X11.

source ~/.mutt/colors.linux

mono  index bold ~F
# mono  body  bold '\*[^*]+\*'
# mono  body  underline '_[^_]+_'

#
# The header weed list
#

ignore delivered-to
ignore content- errors-to in-reply-to mime-version
ignore lines precedence status
ignore nntp-posting-host path old-return-path received references
ignore priority >received >>received
ignore resent- return-path xref path
ignore x400 importance sensitivity autoforward original-encoded-information
ignore x- thread-

ignore list- comments posted-to approved-by

unignore x-spam x-url x-mailer

hdr_order from to cc date subject reply-to mail-followup-to

#
# Various settings
#

set   abort_nosubject=no		# Let me send messages with an empty subject
set   abort_unmodified=no		# Let me send empty messages
set   alias_file=~/.mutt/aliases	# Where to store aliases
set   allow_8bit			# Produce correct MIME
#set arrow_cursor			# Use the bar cursor
unset   askcc				# Ask me about CCs
unset bounce_delivered			# Don't include Delivered-to with bounces
set   charset=utf-8			# The local character set
set   send_charset="utf8"
set   confirmcreate			# Ask me about creating new files
unset confirmappend			# Don't ask me about appending to files
set   delete=yes			# Don't ask me whether or not I meant to delete messages
set   display_filter="tr '\240\204\223\226' ' \"\"-'" # fix some funny characters
set   edit_hdrs				# I want to edit the headers.
#set   editor="/usr/bin/jed %s -f 'flower_mode();'"	
 					# Invoke jed with mail_mode.  This may
	                                # or may not work for you.
set   envelope_from			# set messages' envelope-from header.
set   fcc_clear				# Store local copies of messages in the clear.
set   folder=~/.maildir/			# Where my mail folders go
set   followup_to			# Create Mail-Followup-To headers.
unset force_name			# Don't create save folders which don't exist.
set   forward_decode			# Decode messages when forwarding.
set   forward_decrypt			# Decrypt messages when forwarding.
set   help				# No help line.
set   include=yes			# Always include a copy when replying.
set   mark_old				# Distinguish between seen (but unread) and new messages
set mbox=+mbox			# The (unused) mbox file.
unset metoo	 			# Remove me from CC headers.
set   mime_fwd=ask-no			# Ask me whether or not to create a MIME-encapsulated forward
set   move=no				# Don't use mbox
set   pager_stop			# Don't fall through to the next message in the pager
set   pager_index_lines=0		# The pager index is ugly.
set   pgp_replyencrypt			# Encrypt when replying to encrypted messages.
set   pgp_replysignencrypted		# Sign when replying to encrypted messages.
set   pgp_show_unusable="no"		# Don't display unusable keys.
set   pgp_sort_keys="keyid"		# Sort keys by key ID
set   pgp_replysign			# Sign when replying to signed messages.
set   pgp_timeout=3600			# Forget the PGP passphrase after an hour.
set   pipe_decode			# Decode messages I pipe to commands, typically to patch(1).
set   postponed=~/.mutt/postponed	# Where to put postponed messages
set   print=ask-no			# Don't waste paper
set   print_cmd="enscript -Email -2 -r -G"	# Two columns, landscape, fancy header.
set   print_split=yes			# Invoke enscript once per message
set   quit=yes				# Don't ask me whether or not I want to quit.
set   quote_regexp="^ *[a-zA-Z]*[>|][>:|]*"	# Recognize quotes in the pager.
set   read_inc=50			# Progress indicator when reading folders.
set   recall=ask-no			# When I say "compose", ask me whether I want to continue
					# composing a postponed message.
set   record="+archive/now"		# Put copies of most outgoing messages to ~/Mail/archive/now
set   reply_to=ask-yes			# Ask me whether I want to honor users' reply-to headers.
set   reverse_alias			# Use aliases to display real names on the index.
set   save_name				# Save copies by name.  Together with $record and $save_name,
					# this means that when a folder exists, copies of outgoing 
					# messages are written to ~/Mail/<name>, otherwise they go to
					# ~/Mail/archive/now
set   signature=~/.signature		# Silly signature
set   sig_dashes			# Add dashes above my signature
set   smart_wrap			# Try to be smart when wrapping around lines in the pager
set   sort=threads			# sort by threads,
set   sort_aux=date			# then by date
unset strict_threads	 		# don't be strict about threads
# set   suspend=no			# Don't suspend - I usually run mutt like this: "xterm -e mutt"
set   tilde				# Indicate empty lines in the pager.
set   tmpdir=/tmp			# Temporary files aren't stored in public places.
set   to_chars=" +TCF "			# Don't tag list mail in the index

unset use_domain			# Don't append a domain to addresses.

set   write_inc=50			# Progress indicator when writing folders.
set   query_command="lbdbq %s"		# Use the Little Brother's Database with the external
					# query feature.
set   sendmail_wait=-1			# Put sendmail (i.e., postfix) to the background.
set   encode_from			# "From " in the beginning of a line triggers quoted-printable
set   nowait_key			# Return immediately from external programs
set   forw_format="[fwd] %s (from: %a)"	# A different subject for forwarded messages
set   nobeep				# Shut up. ;-)
set   reply_regexp="^((re([\\[0-9\\]+])*|aw):[ \t]*)+[ \t]*"	# A regular expression to detect replies
set   header				# Include the message header when replying.
set   ignore_list_reply_to		# Ignore Reply-To headers pointing to mailing lists.
set   index_format="%4C %Z %{%b %d} %-15.15L (%4c) %s"	# Somewhat different index format, which works
					# nicely with maildir folders.
set   rfc2047_parameters		# Sometimes, I get mails which use a bogus encoding for
					# MIME parameters.  Setting this shouldn't harm.
set   text_flowed			# Generate text/plain; format=flowed
unset use_ipv6				# Don't try to use IPv6 - it doesn't work here.
set   keep_flagged			# don't move flagged messages to mbox

set status_format="-%r-+(%v) %f [Msgs:%?M?%M/?%m%?n? New:%n?%?o? Old:%o?%?d? Del:%d?%?F? Flag:%F?%?t? Tag:%t?%?p? Post:%p?%?b? Inc:%b?%?l? %l?]----%>-(%P)---"
set compose_format="--+(%v) Compose  [Approx. msg size: %l   Atts: %a]%>-"
set pager_format="-%Z- %C/%m: %.20n %> %s"

set smileys="^$"

# PGP command configuration
# source ~/.mutt/pgp2.rc
source ~/.mutt/gpg.rc


# source non-public stuff, (hooks, alternates, ...)
#source ~/.mutt/priv.rc

# source aliases
source ~/.mutt/aliases
set visual=vim # �����?��, ���������� �� ~v
set from="asimonov@hostopia.com" #������ ��� ����� � ������ "from"
set realname="Alexander Simonov"
set attribution="On %d, %n wrote:"# ��� ������ �� ������ ����� ��� ������� � ������ ������
mailboxes =.simonov =.inbox =.lists.gentoo-wiki =.lists.gentoo-dev =.lists.lafox =.lists.gentoo-dev =.lists.gentoo-ru =.lists.gentoo-doc-ru =.lists.gentoo-security =.lists.lug =.lists.frenzy =.lists.linux-list
set mbox_pane_show=yes
set mbox_pane_width=20

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Small irritation: Can people please stop sending their posts in duplicate...

[Benjamin A. Collins]

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On Tue, Mar 01, 2005 at 12:20:27AM -0800, Anthony Gorecki wrote:
> On Monday, February 28, 2005 11:59 pm, Stuart Longland wrote:
> > ...and some email clients (KMail comes to mind) are even able to
> > directly use this information.
> 
> Do we have any Mutt users that can comment on support for this?

I use Mutt.  I don't use the List-* headers in mutt (I use them in
Procmail), but mutt has a good list-reply capability.  Just add

lists gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org gentoo-server@lists.gentoo.org

and you can reply to a list using Ctl-L.

bc
-- 
Benjamin A. Collins <bencollins@tamu.edu>
http://people.cs.tamu.edu/bcollins/

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