From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8347 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2004 17:01:21 +0000 Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (156.56.111.197) by lists.gentoo.org with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 18 Sep 2004 17:01:21 +0000 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([156.56.111.196] helo=parrot.gentoo.org) by smtp.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.41) id 1C8iaT-0005J4-2e for arch-gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Sat, 18 Sep 2004 17:01:25 +0000 Received: (qmail 19884 invoked by uid 89); 18 Sep 2004 17:01:12 +0000 Mailing-List: contact gentoo-dev-help@gentoo.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Received: (qmail 31450 invoked from network); 18 Sep 2004 17:01:11 +0000 Message-ID: <414C69DD.1080901@gentoo.org> Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2004 19:01:17 +0200 From: Thierry Carrez Organization: Gentoo Linux User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.8 (X11/20040918) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org CC: gentoo-hardened@lists.gentoo.org, ps.m@gmx.net, pageexec@freemail.hu References: <1095487827.11248.284.camel@simple> <414C5A1E.4030808@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <414C5A1E.4030808@gentoo.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.86.1.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Considering dropping the hardened toolchain (A Quantitive Approach) X-Archives-Salt: 9bf96027-c494-47ab-9cfc-0fe9ed650d91 X-Archives-Hash: c64952a95b419ba7bca35c4fb67567b1 Alexander Gabert wrote: > But, in my eyes, you are underestimating the negative impact of that > decision on people > successfully using the solution. > > Do you need success stories for letting it continue? > Do you need mails of people that tell you: good job, things broke left and > right of me, but i am a proud owner of a hardened gcc. > > You and me know that you will never get such mails. It works, it's great, it never failed for me, and I think it's a great asset to have in a metadistribution environment like Gentoo. Maybe there is a problem of scope. It's probably too much work to have it work/documented for the default user to use on a general-purpose workstation, where xfree/mplayer/whatever will break or where the user won't read the F manual. Maybe the scope should be server/router environments only, so that the number of packages to check and support would be more reasonable and the user level would be higher... -- Koon -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list