From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 19526 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2004 02:19:11 +0000 Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (156.56.111.197) by lists.gentoo.org with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP; 5 Jul 2004 02:19:11 +0000 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([156.56.111.196] helo=parrot.gentoo.org) by smtp.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BhJ4Y-0007u0-DS for arch-gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Mon, 05 Jul 2004 02:19:10 +0000 Received: (qmail 19791 invoked by uid 89); 5 Jul 2004 02:19:09 +0000 Mailing-List: contact gentoo-dev-help@gentoo.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Received: (qmail 22546 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2004 02:19:09 +0000 Message-ID: <40E8BA9A.7010600@scms.waikato.ac.nz> Date: Mon, 05 Jul 2004 14:19:06 +1200 From: Barry Shaw User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5 (X11/20040306) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: absinthe@gentoo.org CC: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org References: <40E4B84B.1040501@scms.waikato.ac.nz> <200407030234.18628.absinthe@gentoo.org> <40E881B6.2010700@scms.waikato.ac.nz> <200407042101.49322.absinthe@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <200407042101.49322.absinthe@gentoo.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.83.2.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Policy for retirement of old gentoo 'versions' X-Archives-Salt: 6a095836-209f-47dd-a016-4f5961702518 X-Archives-Hash: f7861613f91b45044f1ecb37dbb0c80d -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Dylan Carlson wrote: | On Sunday 04 July 2004 6:16 pm, Barry Shaw wrote: | |>We've got about 250 machines currently gentooed, |>with more to come, so we might be able to offer some insights into large |>scale installations. | | | Very nice. Yes, I would love to know more about how you're using Gentoo | commercially. | Well we're a university, so we aren't commercial as such 8). All of the machines are being installed via a custom script and a binary repository that is used as a canonical source of packages. Additions and removals are performed automatically each night on the clients. We've documented the install process at http://www.scms.waikato.ac.nz/~baz and the scripts are available there also. The nightly maintenance process and scripts aren't yet published but its in the works. If you want a more detailed description let me know and I can send you something offlist (I'm not really sure this list is the right place for this kind of thing). | In the past, I've done some production installs of FreeBSD with success, | but not w/Linux yet. A Gentoo deployment should be more controllable, in | my estimation, than FreeBSD, but there's a lot of work to be done on both | to make them more sane for commercial environments. IMO, the first | priority is just minimizing the rate/amt of change. That's half the | battle. IT folks can't be burdened with the minutae of researching & | testing lots of tiny little package updates. | | The "don't rsync" solution is a kludge... we need something a tad more | thoughtful, functional than that. :-) | Definitely, thats where I see a stable portage tree as being very useful. | If you don't mind my asking, how many of your Gentoo machines are | workstations? Servers? What kind of work is done on these machines? | Most of them are workstations, both lab machines and staff and graduate desktops (they are all maintained in a similar fashion). We've only got a few gentoo servers, mainly since we only started using gentoo here less than 6 months ago and we're only upgrading the servers as they are replaced (if it aint broke.....). Baz -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFA6LqaJvZkjpKMF2wRAkNVAKCKd88s/qUPlQPTquiCsS1VhJNJ7gCfUzHH IR/4zWK9bMVyWcBLw9OtGrA= =LYLd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list