From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 16045 invoked from network); 19 May 2004 18:24:23 +0000 Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (156.56.111.197) by parrot.ussg.indiana.edu with SMTP; 19 May 2004 18:24:23 +0000 Received: from parrot.ussg.indiana.edu ([156.56.111.196] helo=parrot.gentoo.org) by smtp.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BQVjq-0005r6-3S for arch-gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Wed, 19 May 2004 18:24:22 +0000 Received: (qmail 2346 invoked by uid 89); 19 May 2004 18:24:21 +0000 Mailing-List: contact gentoo-dev-help@gentoo.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Received: (qmail 4897 invoked from network); 19 May 2004 18:24:21 +0000 Message-ID: <40ABA652.4050307@efn.org> Date: Wed, 19 May 2004 14:24:18 -0400 From: Allen Dale Parker User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5+ (Windows/20040403) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org References: <200405180034.30388.stuart@gentoo.org> <200405181845.58966.stuart@gentoo.org> <20040518201628.703a7b34@sven.genone.homeip.net> <200405182108.42231.stuart@gentoo.org> <1084966200.9124.18.camel@rivendell> <20040519160613.GA17836@cerberus.oppresses.us> <1412.213.101.226.144.1084987594.squirrel@TesterServ.TesterNet> <40AB9FD3.2070000@efn.org> <20040519180137.GC22765@cerberus.oppresses.us> In-Reply-To: <20040519180137.GC22765@cerberus.oppresses.us> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.83.5.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-web-user] Hardened PHP now in Gentoo X-Archives-Salt: 8f679ec0-4fb7-47dc-a294-15b1e7bc69ef X-Archives-Hash: 6dde5755b6e655865ce69e9191c7a60e -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Jon Portnoy wrote: | On Wed, May 19, 2004 at 01:56:35PM -0400, Allen Dale Parker wrote: | |>definition, so be it. *BUT* when the gimp ebuilds haven't been touched |>in almost a month (2.0.1 has been out since 04-17 and STILL isn't in |>portage), other ebuilds are falling out of date, I'm SURE that we can |>find more useful things to do than adding more USE flags. |> | | | Frankly the reason GIMP gets out of date, among other gnome herd | packages, is that the GNOME herd seems to want to retain maintainership | of a lot of packages totally irrelevant to GNOME proper without having | enough manpower to deal with it. | | Regarding make.conf: look into package.use. `man portage` in the | /etc/portage section. | So how exactly does one tell between local/global USE flags with emerge - -pv? Or is there some tool that I'm not aware of (other than ufed) that will help me figure out what applies to what package? It certainly seems like quite a few hoops to jump through just to get my systems to run the way they did under 1.4. (on my dual-booting desktop, package.keywords has around 30 entries in /etc/portage/package.keywords) Basically, it seems that the dilema is that more USE flag cruft is being added to what once was a pretty slim and sleak distro. Oh, my last word on this issue: /etc/portage/package.use seems like a good idea until it's ~300 lines (assuming I find the time to actually parse the USE flags available for each of the packages *and their dependancies* that I use on a semi-regular basis). In regards to the GNOME herd being overloaded: is there a way to collectively slap them and let them know that they need to just *let go* and pick a core set of packages to maintain? (gimp seems like it'd be pretty important/popular) It just seems from this perspective adding more USE flags means more work for already stressed out and overworked devs. Another idea for a solution to this mess is to *seperate* features into classes: ie, if you're running X11, you'd have the desktop class of local USE flags to choose from, etc. Adds a bit of complexity on the backend, but would probably simplify a lot of things for people that don't run X11 on all of their systems. I'd probably run or and be a happy boy because X11 and things depending on X11 would be masked by default for my particular machine-class. - -- Allen Parker GPG KeyID: 35544083 GPG FP: E628 7310 DE68 321A 933A 5DD1 C831 005C 3554 4083 infowolfe@irc.freenode.net #/tmp #gentoo-dev #gentoo-hardened infowolfe@irc.oftc.net #vserver -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFAq6ZSyDEAXDVUQIMRAlvyAJ0SOp3rhyq+HV+/yPpDAH8Kxr48CQCfUMEb 4A0ji1vM+2RBpvcRVajO0FA= =a6rq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list