[gentoo-dev] Nazi symbols on Gentoo (and other offending content)

[gentoo-dev] Nazi symbols on Gentoo (and other offending content)

[Santiago M. Mola]

Hi there,

Other devs and me have been worried about the use of Nazi symbols on
forums.gentoo.org [1]. While some find it specially a problem because
of German laws (which it seems make illegal to visit webs with such
symbols), I'm more worried because these symbols, as well as others
related to recent dictatorships or "hate-promoting" movements, are
offending for a good amount of people in the community.

The offending nature of Nazi symbols, and their total irrelevance in a
distro community makes me wonder "why the hell should we have this on
our communication channels?".

The fact that political and religious discussions are also irrelevant
in this context makes me wonder also "why the hell should we keep any
of this potentially offending and flame-maker?"

Gentoo is a community made of people of all around the world, with
different cultures and political views, and we have to work together.
So why don't put the politics aside and continue the work respecting
each other? The Internet is plenty of forums where people can flame
about politics or create a Nazi alter-ego and offend each other,
Gentoo should not be a place for this purpose.

Thoughts? Isn't there anyone else willing to keep Nazi symbols outside
forums? If yes, at the expense of punting all politics or just as a
special case?

Regards,

PS.1 - An apology for forum mods because the avatar I've been using
may offend them, my purpose was to raise awareness of the issue of
using extremely offending content on the forums. While I think my
avatar is valid, I prefer to calm things down and try to work out the
issue with forum mods without attacking. I decided to remove the
avatar.

PS.2- Before someone says Godwin, this is not using Nazis in a
discussion about something else, this is directly a discussion about
Nazi symbols.

[1] http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-480537.html

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OT: [gentoo-dev] Nazi symbols on Gentoo (and other offending content)

[Petteri Räty]

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Santiago M. Mola kirjoitti:
> 
> Thoughts? Isn't there anyone else willing to keep Nazi symbols outside
> forums? If yes, at the expense of punting all politics or just as a
> special case?
> 

Again this is the wrong mailing list. I don't see this thread having any 
technical content.

Regards,
Petteri


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Re: OT: [gentoo-dev] Nazi symbols on Gentoo (and other offending content)

[Santiago M. Mola]

On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 1:57 AM, Petteri Räty <betelgeuse@gentoo.org> wrote:
> Santiago M. Mola kirjoitti:
>
> >
> > Thoughts? Isn't there anyone else willing to keep Nazi symbols outside
> > forums? If yes, at the expense of punting all politics or just as a
> > special case?
> >
> >
>
>  Again this is the wrong mailing list. I don't see this thread having any
> technical content.
>

Actually I thought about it, but it seems @-project has no attention
from developers, and what I want to know if is more developers see
this as a problem, or not, or just don't care (if the later is the
case, the thread will just die shortly).

Anyway, next time I'll use @-project, and let's see if someone
actually cares about that mailing list.

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Re: OT: [gentoo-dev] Nazi symbols on Gentoo (and other offending content)

[Mike Frysinger]

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On Sunday 27 April 2008, Santiago M. Mola wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 1:57 AM, Petteri Räty <betelgeuse@gentoo.org> wrote:
> > Santiago M. Mola kirjoitti:
> > > Thoughts? Isn't there anyone else willing to keep Nazi symbols outside
> > > forums? If yes, at the expense of punting all politics or just as a
> > > special case?
> >
> >  Again this is the wrong mailing list. I don't see this thread having any
> > technical content.
>
> Actually I thought about it, but it seems @-project has no attention
> from developers, and what I want to know if is more developers see
> this as a problem, or not, or just don't care (if the later is the
> case, the thread will just die shortly).
>
> Anyway, next time I'll use @-project, and let's see if someone
> actually cares about that mailing list.

unfortunately (fortunately?), that's the way the Gentoo community wants it.  
gentoo-dev is for development only.  any non-development stuff goes to the 
gentoo-project list.  you're most likely right there are a lot less people 
subscribed there, but that is because the people who arent subscribed there 
dont care about non-development issues.

even if there may be a set of people not on the -project list but on the -dev 
list, and they have an opinion on this particular topic, putting the thread 
here is not appropriate.  if they truly care, they can signup, fetch the 
relevant mails from the archive, and respond.
-mike

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Re: OT: [gentoo-dev] Nazi symbols on Gentoo (and other offending content)

[Donnie Berkholz]

On 02:27 Mon 28 Apr     , Mike Frysinger wrote:
> On Sunday 27 April 2008, Santiago M. Mola wrote:
> > Anyway, next time I'll use @-project, and let's see if someone
> > actually cares about that mailing list.
> 
> unfortunately (fortunately?), that's the way the Gentoo community wants it.  
> gentoo-dev is for development only.  any non-development stuff goes to the 
> gentoo-project list.  you're most likely right there are a lot less people 
> subscribed there, but that is because the people who arent subscribed there 
> dont care about non-development issues.
> 
> even if there may be a set of people not on the -project list but on the -dev 
> list, and they have an opinion on this particular topic, putting the thread 
> here is not appropriate.  if they truly care, they can signup, fetch the 
> relevant mails from the archive, and respond.

Here's one way to help get some more attention for the discussion you 
want to have, even if it's on a list with a smaller audience. As with 
any other topic, feel free to post a pointer on gentoo-dev-announce to 
tell people:

  what (the topic),
  when (when you will start the discussion), and
  where (the list/channel).

As long as it is an announcement (and not an opinion), -dev-announce 
should be a good place.

Thanks,
Donnie
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Nazi symbols on Gentoo (and other offending content)

[Enrico Weigelt]

* Santiago M. Mola <coldwind@gentoo.org> schrieb:

<big_snip>

This is totally offtopic here. The issue has been discussed 
excessively on the forum (10 pages!). And this issue is *only*
relevant to the f.g.o platform, not the Gentoo project at all,
especially NOT the technically development.

BTW: if I was forum a moderator (and the forum itself isn't 
located in .de), I wouldn't even care about the whole issue as
there's simply no need for that. Maybe gentoo.de falls under 
German represssions, but (IMHO) gentoo.org does not.

Well, I now could talk about that guy who started the tread 
(who's an good example how post-ww2 brainwash and original-sin
conditioning still works over several generations), I could talk
about how those nonsense-discussions are very fine for deflecting
from the current administration's crimes and continuous attacks
on the constitution, attempts to legalize software patents, 
EU warfare, etc, etc. ... But this all is *OFFTOPIC* here.
Those discussions simply belong to another place.


cu
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