From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from <gentoo-dev+bounces-30356-garchives=archives.gentoo.org@lists.gentoo.org>) id 1JmZy5-00057e-E5 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 17 Apr 2008 19:40:25 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id CFDD0E072B; Thu, 17 Apr 2008 19:40:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.228]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB151E072B for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Thu, 17 Apr 2008 19:40:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id h30so227780wxd.10 for <gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org>; Thu, 17 Apr 2008 12:40:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; bh=7/TcJCMzun+7nVi94CFjAW45G7I5rsNa5jtkVvNIro0=; b=kGe1aSkJALLE/NlNIc6IWbfsxtO0hp4W1E0GCEKfjIcl1euFoBOTfjqy+0fsFMtqGM74wOdujE8Rx08KGg1F4AWI1XxnHcqP7ZGzZ5kMymLwzqVrer9hVTk3EWApsUdtM8SBJ2Nyk4bJh/vgoR7AY+0m6yq5Od0qPoo2jPlpRQ0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=MEQ0chlPbEUAfqFbhgHqBlhlLa7Ng6wC+Sq4bi1ReufT97albY6E6+ZMLzBebmT9iMmWqsY1VTOMOhkW1xWvUKZQuxHac6qp77LlIrImQUtvIFTMIeDg42+KEIt0bpW3jfNG7746XdqGH4Em0B69YxhCtnrLfK/3Ixp3HWESv2I= Received: by 10.100.91.17 with SMTP id o17mr1368965anb.145.1208461222324; Thu, 17 Apr 2008 12:40:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.45.17 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Apr 2008 12:40:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3c32af40804171240y723d8445n1e15799087da5c64@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 21:40:22 +0200 From: "Santiago M. Mola" <coldwind@gentoo.org> Sender: cooldwind@gmail.com To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Early stabilisation In-Reply-To: <20080417153317.5df7fc4e@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-dev+help@lists.gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+unsubscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev+subscribe@lists.gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-dev.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20080415224619.387012bc@epia.jer-c2.orkz.net> <4805CBBA.5030100@gentoo.org> <1208372964.4501.45.camel@cgianelloni.quova.com> <20080416223643.45c3230c@gentoo.org> <4806FFBF.40803@gentoo.org> <20080417153317.5df7fc4e@gentoo.org> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 5a1a570e5514ed67 X-Archives-Salt: 58b98796-1faf-4043-86a3-1e8cbbd0d0ed X-Archives-Hash: 9c963a1660c04ae17da0eeca131d1f70 On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 2:33 PM, Samuli Suominen <drac@gentoo.org> wrote: > Thu, 17 Apr 2008 09:43:59 +0200 > Vlastimil Babka <caster@gentoo.org> kirjoitti: > > > Okay. So we can just agree it's better if the maintainer tells his > > reasons when opening the bug, to spare the later clarifications? > > "It works. Do it." > While I agree with you, and I think we are free to request stabilization before the 30 days window, I also love when people give details about the stabilization and not just a "do it". Emacs team's "test plans" [1] are the better example. Thanks to them I'm able to save a _lot_ of time figuring out how a package works and which features should test. Some details about changes since last stable are usually useful too. In latest wgetpaste stabilization [2] we are told that this is a trivial bugfix release fixing osl support, so we can just test osl support and skip most of other tests. Also, when a program needs a sample file with some obscure format, I really appreciate when maintainers give a URL to a sample file so I don't need to search for suitable files and can strictly focus on testing. Of course, everyone could continue with the "do it" style, but keep in mind that adding info like I described above can save a lot of AT work and, as a result, make stabilization process faster. [1] http://overlays.gentoo.org/proj/emacs/wiki/test%20plans [2] http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=211894 Regards, -- Santiago M. Mola Jabber ID: cooldwind@gmail.com -- gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org mailing list