From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 24650 invoked by uid 1002); 15 Sep 2003 18:22:19 -0000 Mailing-List: contact gentoo-dev-help@gentoo.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Received: (qmail 26985 invoked from network); 15 Sep 2003 18:22:19 -0000 Message-ID: <3F66073F.6050502@technaut.darktalker.net> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2003 13:38:55 -0500 From: Andrew Gaffney User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030820 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gentoo Dev References: <1063641562.12338.7.camel@Discovery.brad-x.com> <20030915180400.GB8026@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <20030915180400.GB8026@gentoo.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.76.4.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo 1.4.1 and GRP X-Archives-Salt: c6bdca73-6deb-41b3-bfaf-4aae48ee797a X-Archives-Hash: a9fa133b0c590665b006774f918d8cd0 Sven Vermeulen wrote: > On Mon, Sep 15, 2003 at 11:59:23AM -0400, Brad Laue wrote: > >>A concern of mine about many Linux distributions is that in the long >>haul between binary releases of a distribution, the packages included >>with the release can become quite old. In Gentoo's case, if one GRP >>installed their system nine months from now and emerge -u'd, they would >>be faced with a considerable number of packages to update (I wouldn't be >>surprised if it was all of them). > > > I'm going to be labeled as "not-user-friendly-bastard" on this one, but if > you have a user that GRP installs Gentoo, and then wants to GRP-update with > every release (and keeping in mind that drobbins want to increase the > release-frequency), I'd have to say that he should take a look at the binary > distributions. > > Which brings the topic to: > > >>Realising that Gentoo is of course a source-based distribution, quickly >>and easily installing the latest and greatest by using emerge -k, then >>optimizing by rebuilding incrementally has surely sparked a great deal >>of additional interest in the distribution. > > > This is something that all distributions deliver: binary packages and an > "easy" way to source-compile packages but keep them in the database. If > Gentoo would go the same way, we are neglecting the source-based stuff. > > We should not focus on GRP-after-installation. As I see it, GRP isn't even > the main installation method, but an option. If I am mistaken on this > subject, please say so, because I am writing everything with this in mind (I > am thinking of our handbook-to-come). I completely agree with you on this one. GRP is nothing but a way to quickly get your system up and running so that you can use your system while you are re-compiling everything with your optimizations and USE flags. If Gentoo is going to have binary packages available for *updates* then we might as well just get rid of portage and switch to RPM packages while we're at it :) -- Andrew Gaffney -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list