From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 12928 invoked by uid 1002); 21 Aug 2003 05:13:21 -0000 Mailing-List: contact gentoo-dev-help@gentoo.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Received: (qmail 20530 invoked from network); 21 Aug 2003 05:13:20 -0000 Message-ID: <3F445510.1070501@gentoo.org> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 01:13:52 -0400 From: Stewart Honsberger Organization: Gentoo Technologies User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030709 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Eric Olinger Cc: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org References: <20030818194238.GR1161@mail.lieber.org> <200308190133.21887.luke-jr@gentoo.org> <20030819064706.GB1138@gentoo.org> <200308200112.09533.luke-jr@gentoo.org> <1061383163.415.8.camel@vertigo> <20030820160508.00002737.moixa@gmx.ch> <20030820152740.GC30449@time> <20030820185654.103f6347.svyatogor@gentoo.org> <1061394716.414.42.camel@vertigo> <20030820093131.00001665.EvvL@RustedHalo.net> In-Reply-To: <20030820093131.00001665.EvvL@RustedHalo.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.76.1.0 X-Enigmail-Supports: pgp-inline, pgp-mime Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] install CD bloat X-Archives-Salt: b65c4ec3-1588-4546-a6ad-37e4ff62f145 X-Archives-Hash: b647a5cc2bc42cf69ac85268dbe44a79 Eric Olinger wrote: > If were really talking about saving space on the livecd we could always replace > vim with nVi. It has all the basic vi features in a lot smaller package. Plus in > that extra space put a small emacs work-alike like qemacs. I don't use emacs > but I always assumed that since we had Vi on the cd that Emacs was on the > cd as well. It'd be good to have at least the the two most common editors on > the cd or at least work-alikes. Like my Scotch namesake, I believe there shold be a vi-compliant editor on the install CD (and within the chroot!) for more experienced users. Vi is an editor that can be found on any UNIX / Linux system. Having Nano around for inexperienced users (or the obstinate ones who are under the impression that Nano is "more powerful" than Vi(M)) is also a good idea. Vim is one of the first packages I merge on any Gentoo system, simply because nano drives me up the wall (Forget to use "-w" on the command line? Oops! File broken! Start over!); right along with my Cron and Syslog daemons, before even the kernel. However, whichever Vi(m) we choose, it should be slim. It shouldn't, however, be slim for the sake of being slim. Eg; "Mike's Slim ViM!" and the like should be avoided. Mainstream only! It's entirely probable that ViM is the culprit for bringing Perl into the install CD; that can and should be done away with. There's no need for a full-bore Perl interpreter on a CD that comes with an sh and Python interpreter. -- Stewart Honsberger http://blackdeath.snerk.org/ "Capitalists, by nature, organize to protect themselves. -- Geeks, by nature, resist organizaion." -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list