[gentoo-dev] i hate KEYWORDS=-*

[gentoo-dev] i hate KEYWORDS=-*

[Mike Frysinger]

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so i guess people are using KEYWORDS=-* because they dont want ppl easily 
emerging a package that will break them ... specifically the latest gcc/glibc 
ebuilds ... now while i agree that they are not suitable for stable or 
unstable systems, and maybe too risky even for package.mask, it is a pita to 
emerge these suckers and then safely keep them on youur system ...

what i propose is that people who make ebuilds with KEYWORDS=-* add in an 
extra little word, namely 'pleasebreakme'.  that is, from now on, have it 
read:
KEYWORDS="-* pleasebreakme"
that way i can do ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=pleasebreakme and get access to these 
packages.

thoughts ?
- -mike
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Re: [gentoo-dev] i hate KEYWORDS=-*

[Dhruba Bandopadhyay]

Mike Frysinger wrote:
> what i propose is that people who make ebuilds with KEYWORDS=-* add in an 
> extra little word, namely 'pleasebreakme'.  that is, from now on, have it 
> read:
> KEYWORDS="-* pleasebreakme"
> that way i can do ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=pleasebreakme and get access to these 
> packages.

 From a user perspective I don't see anything wrong with the way 
KEYWORDS are handled currently.

However, if you must make a change please don't use a keyword as casual 
and mocking as 'pleasebreakme'.  Make it something distinct like 
'unstable' or something.  Just some thoughts.


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Re: [gentoo-dev] i hate KEYWORDS=-*

[Mike Frysinger]

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On Wednesday 30 July 2003 11:17, Dhruba Bandopadhyay wrote:
>  From a user perspective I don't see anything wrong with the way
> KEYWORDS are handled currently.

i was looking at this from a developer point of view ... in the end neither 
solution (existing or new) would affect the end users

> However, if you must make a change please don't use a keyword as casual
> and mocking as 'pleasebreakme'.  Make it something distinct like
> 'unstable' or something.  Just some thoughts.

i was using it as an example, but i like it ;)
- -mike
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Re: [gentoo-dev] i hate KEYWORDS=-*

[Matt Rickard]

Sorry for the belated reply, but it seems we still haven't done anything
about this -- and it frustrated me enough today that I decided to revive
this thread :)

> so i guess people are using KEYWORDS=-* because they dont want ppl
> easily emerging a package that will break them ... specifically the
> latest gcc/glibc ebuilds ... now while i agree that they are not
> suitable for stable or unstable systems, and maybe too risky even for
> package.mask, it is a pita to emerge these suckers and then safely
> keep them on youur system ...

I don't see what KEYWORDS=-* does that package.mask doesn't?  Just mark
the packages unstable, package.mask them, and throw in a comment in
package.mask saying "This will most likely completely break your
system".  

Problem solved.  Users don't get the package, and developers can easily
unmask it if needed.  This certainly beats the screwing around you need
to do now to get these packages built.

> 
> what i propose is that people who make ebuilds with KEYWORDS=-* add in
> an extra little word, namely 'pleasebreakme'.  that is, from now on,
> have it read:
> KEYWORDS="-* pleasebreakme"

I don't see any reason for this.  Isn't this the exact reason we have
package.mask?

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