From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 26292 invoked by uid 1002); 15 Jul 2003 08:55:59 -0000 Mailing-List: contact gentoo-dev-help@gentoo.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Received: (qmail 29113 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2003 08:55:59 -0000 Message-ID: <3F13C1A2.5040409@gentoo.org> Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 04:56:02 -0400 From: Brad Laue User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030712 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org References: <20030714214621.33b75fbd.zhen@gentoo.org> <20030715061643.GB8196@lostlogicx.com> In-Reply-To: <20030715061643.GB8196@lostlogicx.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo part II. X-Archives-Salt: fece62be-6216-4cf6-8630-d99d49f7cade X-Archives-Hash: e79c1c5bb5434d0d1310c4b416d1d0a4 Brandon Low wrote: > if we go any further toward managing > things, we're going to lose a lot of what many of us consider what is > GOOD about Gentoo, the FUN, the excitement, the 'cool' factor of being > able to SEE changes help users in almost real time without having to > wade through bullshit to do it. This is a unique quality, one Gentoo has created by means of its friendly developer community and its fast paced movement. I don't believe any other distribution can do what Gentoo does. > These are users who (I would guess) > close to half run ~x86 bleeding edge sometimes broken apps because it is > FUN. These people have NO interest in politics or in the runnings of an > OSS project, they just want to see their favorite apps, and the latest > greatest toys on their desktops NOW, and they will not only help, but > ENJOY helping to fix issues which come up. Exactly. > See above, we're not a democracy, managers in an OSS project are there > because they earned the respect of their peers sufficiently to get that > place. I DARE ** DARE ** someone to try to convince Linus or any of his > core people to have 'terms of office' in their roles, and see just how > fast whomever suggests it bites the dust. > > > No offence, Zhen, I like you, and I like your work, but I almost > completely disagree about the best direction for this project to take in > order to remain the great and fun project it is and to be able to > continue to grow and innovate in the great ways it has been for recent > years. > Not to incite an argument, but I think we can all see the areas where Debian fails to be a shining example of Linux development. I see a great number of suggestions being made that call for Gentoo to move more in line with Debian's development structure, and it smacks of not being able to learn from the mistakes of the past. As I said above, Gentoo is unique, it is not Debian. I think a management structure and a methodology for shaping Gentoo's future must be very different from that of Debian if Gentoo is to maintain that uniqueness. Democracy in a development environment will create chaos. A constitution is going to create a distant core team environment which, as we've seen, has not been of benefit lately to XFree86 or the FreeBSD project, let alone Debian itself - there will be constant bickering over legalities and entitlements. Restricting the length of time in which a manager can remain a manager doesn't make any sense. Isn't someone only going to get better at their job, the longer they do it (rhetorical)? Cheers, Brad -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list