From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KSXXm-0007nU-SL for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 13:34:43 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 215DCE062B; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 13:34:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.191]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0D60E062B for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 13:34:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c7so649331nfi.26 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 06:34:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :subject:date:references:x-mailer; bh=/cPig08E4TnzOmoye7Zbag2kCJhpojds1yM5vQuKeSY=; b=o4XhOiHPwEdNooVzsraXki7ZXYbWiRFvr0f7IkG3zdJK3h3ECP/7LipORG4E72hP+j 3GxfGi6ERmJGKqVwSogEq6KMPE1vC74o93jAM112mwEqlX8OkHLFszBIXvvQ5MN0zolb /v786yFfgtvBeXZD6YTKNavuYa+9PrINQwhpM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:in-reply-to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:date:references :x-mailer; b=VVgYz53wFpuW3Wp/z/xF8H5HoMrBg7+DW2ldXv1w5WEuCk1C4dS9nEIzPou1/KWW/I x698kjIcCUzMfNqKq+436m9neP078t/kIjKiTUKLb4kN5PCcXccdNSTwAFqnJKG/IYGP VtS7p4nVI3GI+jMqslm8QOe6nShBrC6q9OXl8= Received: by 10.210.21.6 with SMTP id 6mr9345429ebu.162.1218461680144; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 06:34:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from george-laptop.lan ( [88.111.192.214]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p10sm76460gvf.7.2008.08.11.06.34.38 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 11 Aug 2008 06:34:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <3F07D271-9BE7-4D48-AB0A-F991DED593A9@gmail.com> From: George Prowse To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: <48A03C7A.7070309@dev.gentooexperimental.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Retirement Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:34:36 +0100 References: <200808110027.04169.zlin@gentoo.org> <20080810223515.GA10158@comet> <20080811084559.3a8c005e@snowcone> <48A03C7A.7070309@dev.gentooexperimental.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) X-Archives-Salt: 850f7fa8-8704-4b3c-aeeb-b730b215bb15 X-Archives-Hash: 1ee5916e3ebe1b48cca26bd3f6588cd2 On 11 Aug 2008, at 14:19, Patrick Lauer wrote: > Ciaran McCreesh wrote: >> On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 21:51:11 -0700 >> "Alec Warner" wrote: >> >>> Despite our best efforts Gentoo is not a fun-loving community where >>> everyone gets along. >>> >> >> Actually, I'd say that's a fairly accurate description of the >> problem. >> Some people think Gentoo should primarily be a fun-loving community >> where everyone gets along, whilst others think Gentoo should >> primarily >> be a first-rate distribution delivering a quality product. >> > You say that as if it is mutually exclusive. I claim that having fun > leads to quality products because of motivation and the feedback > between people where one challenges the other to do better - I've > seen quite a few examples of such interactions in the past, but > thanks to depressing monologues by people with too much ego that is > becoming more and more rare. > > Gentoo is supposed to be fun. > > If it stops being fun only grumpy old men will do the bare minimum > to keep things from breaking too badly instead of improving things. > Meh. I demand mandatory fun hours twice a week! And a coffee > machine. And a pony. Yes! A pony! GLEP 57. Coffee machine and Pony Needed. When in need of help, Gentoo needs a knight in shining armour, that usually comes as coffee so to facilitate that we need a coffee machine and a pony. I have just been informed by amne that the pony needs to be pink.