From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15850 invoked by uid 1002); 28 Jun 2003 23:42:41 -0000 Mailing-List: contact gentoo-dev-help@gentoo.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Received: (qmail 26794 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2003 23:42:41 -0000 Message-ID: <3EFE2800.1020208@gentoo.org> Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2003 19:42:56 -0400 From: Stewart Honsberger Organization: Snerk World Enterprises User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030617 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org References: <87r85fba2o.fsf@killr.ath.cx> <20030627194703.GA404@cerberus.oppresses.us> <1056746975.1164.31.camel@localhost> <1056749877.9103.5.camel@phaze> <20030628182654.54d19e5e.daniel.armyr@home.se> In-Reply-To: <20030628182654.54d19e5e.daniel.armyr@home.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] proposal: make gentoo-core publicly read-only X-Archives-Salt: ce436adc-b529-4497-a52c-eb2bc9ed5325 X-Archives-Hash: 41fa94eea462772c43e41b79fae4e18d Daniel Armyr wrote: >Yeah, and if I want to know how my government makes descisions on how >my life is un I can allways become a high-ranking politician. At this >point in time, Gentoo simply does not have an open culture, but a closed >one. I am fore an read-only core, but when reading this thread I have a >nagging suspicion that this is pointless. The Gentoo devs want to have an >ivory tower, and ivory towers can not be scaled. The only way to change >is for the inhabitants to come out freely. I think you're making way more out of this than neccesary. There is no ivory tower here, there is no elitism amongst Gentoo developers. BTW - your analogy is flawed. Speaking as someone who just completed the process no more than 72 hours ago; becomming a Gentoo developer is nothing like becomming a politician letalone a "high-ranking politician". The fact of the matter is - developers need a place to hash out ideas without every user, developer-in-training, or casual on-looker jumping all over them and micromanaging. Don't take this the wrong way, I'm pretty well on the fence about the issue myself. On one hand, I enjoy the notion that the developers have nothing to hide and go out of their way to show it. On the other hand, I believe the developers need a forum where they can discuss ideas that might never see the light of day. discuss asinine details, etc. You also have to remember that if the developers really want to have private discussions, they will. If they feel they can't talk openly on -core they'll form a new list. >>And I might be going out on a limb here, but I'm pretty sure that many >>other non-profit Linux distributions have non-open lists. In fact, I >>would be very surprised if any Linux distributions don't. > > And since then was that an excuse? I thought Gentoo wanted to be better than > other distros. That's pretty subjective. Is it really that much "better" to discuss everything out in the open? Is there such a thing as too much openness? -- Stewart Honsberger Gentoo Developer http://www.snerk.org/ -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list