From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 (2022-12-14) on finch.gentoo.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.3 required=5.0 tests=DMARC_MISSING, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RDNS_NONE autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=4.0.0 Received: from mailres.fastwebnet.it (unknown [213.140.2.43]) by chiba.3jane.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C073AC680 for ; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 13:34:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: from fastwebnet.it (1.254.34.233) by mailres.fastwebnet.it (6.5.029) id 3D81B4A2004AAF59 for gentoo-dev@gentoo.org; Tue, 22 Oct 2002 20:34:16 +0200 Message-ID: <3DB5B848.7010303@fastwebnet.it> Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2002 22:42:48 +0200 From: Stefano Peluchetti Reply-To: pelux@fastwebnet.it User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20021019 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: When is Gentoo 1.4 going to be released? References: <20021021203305.GE20577@freedom.gentoo.org> <006e01c279df$bee790b0$8204dca7@northamerica.corp.microsoft.com> <3DB5A6D8.2070108@fastwebnet.it> <3DB59715.455ADC02@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gentoo-dev-admin@gentoo.org Errors-To: gentoo-dev-admin@gentoo.org X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Gentoo Linux developer list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: X-Archives-Salt: 5543c7dc-de9f-436b-8984-94ef6706fedf X-Archives-Hash: 7518965801cb95e0fc048a86a59efe00 > whoa right there. a lot of people are on crack, too. especially where > concerns a bunch wondering when someone is going to hurry up and give > them something for free. > > enough software in this world is tossed over the fence according to a > schedule. i don't need any more software that was developed to a > schedule. i've got enought of that at work. i need software that is > actually ready when it is ready, whenever that is. i'm glad there is > some. eye on the ball, not some bean counter's stopwatch. > > i don't know how realistic it is, but it seems to be expected to have a > schedule for software if someone is paying for the development. and that > causes an awful lot of crappy software to get developed. not to mention, > missed schedules anyway. a pmi study showed only 27% of software > projects meet schedule (up from 19% a decade ago). so much for software > schedules. what works for highway construction doesn't have much to do > with software. > > a ballpark figure has been given more than once, and missed more than > once. i say, enough. it's plain to see there is no point in such straw > men, especially in free, volunteer, community efforts. obviously it will > be ready when it's ready. and only when it's ready should i want it. -i > wouldn't have it any other way!- in certain circumstances i would expect > to hear, "are we there yet?" from the backseat. this is not one of them. But i have not told the developers to hurry! I'm sure that it's better to wait until the work is finished that have a bugged or incomplete product. I'm only sayng that have developers giving a feedback once a week about what was done and what todo (even 4 rows of plain text could do the work!) should be nice. And i don't need a schedule with calendar! Only what is done and what not. >>In fact the status of the development is covered by an incredible mistery... > > > that is so untrue. bugs.gentoo.org. it's completely transparent. But doesn't give a complete view of the status of the development. Pelux