From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 (2022-12-14) on finch.gentoo.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 required=5.0 tests=DMARC_REJECT,FREEMAIL_FROM, MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=4.0.0 Received: from smtp-send.myrealbox.com (smtp-send.myrealbox.com [192.108.102.143]) by chiba.3jane.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B10D6ABD4F; Sat, 24 Aug 2002 03:00:42 -0500 (CDT) Received: from myrealbox.com k8la@smtp-send.myrealbox.com [209.164.232.82] by smtp-send.myrealbox.com with NetMail SMTP Agent $Revision: 3.11 $ on Novell NetWare via secured & encrypted transport (TLS); Sat, 24 Aug 2002 01:59:53 -0600 Message-ID: <3D673DDA.4050203@myrealbox.com> Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2002 04:03:38 -0400 From: "Thomas M. Beaudry" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:1.0.0) Gecko/20020731 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, es-sv MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gregg@sc.am Cc: gentoo-dev@clacour.com, gentoo-dev@gentoo.org, gentoo-user@gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Upgrade, course of action. References: <2301.12.247.253.40.1030094569.squirrel@sc.am> <02082320254900.01412@bugler> <2799.66.247.109.90.1030166693.squirrel@sc.am> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gentoo-dev-admin@gentoo.org Errors-To: gentoo-dev-admin@gentoo.org X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Gentoo Linux developer list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: X-Archives-Salt: 79ffc434-5223-4aee-815d-59d45b6516f6 X-Archives-Hash: 6a7afa88be524e151b10f55e2ab74a19 > Everyone keeps telling me how brave I am. I have to say, it doesnt seem > that way to me. Ive got a second drive (exact mirror of the first, same > size) rsyncing every night (over to another server). That is my current > backup solution. I havent had to go to it once. Since I set this up as a > server and started getting these users I havent had a single outage that > wasnt a problem with power (we had 2 real bad storms over the last month > that took out power for 5 hours each, my UPS only does 3 hours tops for > the 3 systems it runs.) Other than that, it has run flawless, and you > want brave. emerge -up world shows nothing right now. It is as up to > date as possible without gcc 3.2. Not a single problem. > > Gregg I'm agreeing with you Gregg. The office server I admin has had no problems in almost a year save power outages. While not as up-to-date as yours, it is more recent than a stock 1.2 installation. There is nothing wrong with the stability of Gentoo. The only problem is that Gentoo requires you to use your brain else it will happily let you shoot yourself in the arse. Once you get your server running the way you like, just keep your hands off of it. Just because Gentoo puts out software upgrades as soon as they are available does not mean that you have to install them. I only upgrade software on the server when it fixes a problem that affects me or provides a new feature that I need. What I don't need is a distro telling me what versions of software that I can or cannot run. If I wanted that, I'd be running Debian or Suse or whatever. One of the points of Gentoo is that you make your box the way that you want it. So if you want a stabile box, set it up and then leave it alone. And don't whine because Gentoo releases a new version of software with less testing than you care for. They're providing for others to make their boxes the way they like them as well. What? That newly released update has a feature that you need but you're afraid to install it because the developers didn't do enough testing on it first? Be glad they did release it. Dozens of guys that enjoy living on the edge will get it tested faster than the developers could have done on their own. Just sit back and monitor the lists until you're satisfied that the new release is usable for you. Ok, off my soapbox for now...