From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 (2022-12-14) on finch.gentoo.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=5.0 tests=DMARC_QUAR,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3,RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=4.0.0 Received: from mailout09.sul.t-online.com (mailout09.sul.t-online.com [194.25.134.84]) by chiba.3jane.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40CD9AC382 for ; Sun, 14 Jul 2002 18:13:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from fwd00.sul.t-online.de by mailout09.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 17TsY6-00011Y-00; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 01:13:06 +0200 Received: from sz-online.de (520025366669-0001@[217.224.185.167]) by fmrl00.sul.t-online.com with esmtp id 17TsXt-2AxzIeC; Mon, 15 Jul 2002 01:12:53 +0200 Message-ID: <3D32041E.AC31A3A3@sz-online.de> Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 01:07:10 +0200 From: Stefan Schaarschmidt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sender: 520025366669-0001@t-dialin.net Subject: [gentoo-dev] Feedback from the first install Sender: gentoo-dev-admin@gentoo.org Errors-To: gentoo-dev-admin@gentoo.org X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Gentoo Linux developer list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: X-Archives-Salt: 2f323958-0e08-4580-9ee4-f04038b733f5 X-Archives-Hash: 1b2582d818cc6107f8884b3454d67f81 Hello, before I continue I want to thank you for the work of bringing the idea of portage to linux. The idea behind it is something I really like... Now some critizism, notes and questions: - I consider myself an experienced Linux User (about 8 years or so), having started with Slackware from a floppy-tape i know about partitioning,fstab and even modlines ;-) But if I had started with SuSE Linux 2 years bevor I wouldn't know about partition numbering schemes, fstab entries (whats a ?) or even the IP number of a DNS server. Nothing wrong with that, but I think it would help some people, if at the beginning of the doc were a little hint: You will probably not succeed, if you don't know about.... - I liked the ease of connecting to the internet with the Start-CD and the freshly born Linux, but only because I have a wonderfull old 386/40 sitting there as a router... Just for me: Is there a thought about those people connecting via modem (probably not, the download would be just TOO slow)? Here in Germany you have DSL via a so called DSL Router, but this works only via PPPoE. I'd say I had no chance, if I hadn't the firewall/router between me and the DSL router... Just a thought for alternative net connections... - USE Variables: The default ones are told to be sufficiant for the most people. Any reasons "gnome" isn't in it?? (Yes I'm from the KDE fraction, but I added it, when I finally realized the missing... After all, its all about choice.) - portage-user.html in your doc dir seems a little aged: I really was irritated, when I read about creating /usr/portage, which was there. And so I really was undetermined whether I have to "emerge rsync", or if this is outdated information as well. - When the machine was happily compiling I looked at it from time to time. I would suggest some kind of beep when an emerge-command is done (successfull or not). This would help those people playing "Star Wars - Super Bombad Racing" in the next room or reading the last Pratchett book. I could imagine some environment variable which, when set, determines the number of beeps to inform about the finishing. - Speeking of staring at a compiling/emerging machine: I'm understanding that warnings occur during compiling but I could quickly read a message from the emerge cmd, before it dissolved (the message i mean): "Be sure to unmerge libsig versions < ...". Who is ever expected to read that? :-) - When I emerged kde, the first time I got an error: viewer-qt.cc: ../pango/pangox.h 31: X11/Xlib no such file or directory. When I started it again later, no such error appeared... - I emerged "vi", which plainly died whith a segfault when starting. This is no issue for me, because I then realized, that I instead was wanting vim (which worked fine), but vi seems to be broken (on my machine at least) - Strange effects: I got quite a lot of "/root/.kde/share/.... permission denied" and some "error creating /root/.qt". I don't understand this one since I think emerge is running with root rigths when called by root? This had the effect, that after I got X/KDE running I had the KDM login, but after that the plain ugly twm :-( The /etc/skel did not contain any configuration files as well for KDE/X/... so I neither could copy it to the /root/ dir nor do I have a template for users... Any ideas, how I get a bunch of fine config files which allow me to see the beauty of the new KDE? - Last point: when speaking of users: I miss some hints in the docs when to create a "normal" user... AFTER emerging as much as possible packets, to have a giant /etc/skel to profit from or BEFORE so that configs might be written to the home dirs. This has become quite a long mail but I would appreciate any answers to the points above Thank you for reading and answering Stefan Schaarschmidt