[gentoo-dev] dev-utils

[gentoo-dev] dev-utils

[Pete Gavin]

Why is fbset in dev-utils? I don't see what it has to
do w/ development. Maybe sys-apps?

And shouldnt guile be in dev-lang, since it's technically just an
interpreter, like python or perl?

Pete

Re: [gentoo-dev] dev-utils

[Achim Gottinger]

Pete Gavin wrote:

> Why is fbset in dev-utils?

There was no suitable other category for fbset.

> I don't see what it has to
> do w/ development. Maybe sys-apps?

sys-apps will no longer be there once we switched to profiles.
We used the sys categories only for packages that we used for our
minimum runtime system.
All dependencies assume that all sys packages are installed.
We change this now. I'm currently reworking dependencies so they assume
all packages from sys-build are installed.
(bad english).
There is a list in the cvs tree called current-packages.build. All
packges required for a minimum build system are
listed there. (not all are commited, I'm still testing).
I will upload a build-tarball in the next days.

We make this move to be able to build profiles without development
tools. There should be no runtime dependencies
to build packages.

The build stuff can be linked statically, which should make it easier
for other people to port gentoo-linux to other platforms or to build
gentoo on top of an other distribution. (simply unpack the build-tarball
to a temporary location and chroot there).

If statically linked the environment requires about 130MB (dynamically
100MB).

The other thing I'm working on is adding more USE flags, so people are
able to build an Xfree free system or a system
without using berkdb.....

All these things need much time and I think I'm finaly finished in a
month or so. But then we should have a real cool
generic meta-distribution. That's why I'm always abit seceptik if you
want to move packages between categories
and stuff like that.

We want to put the build tarball on an cd together with the  portage
tree and the distfiles. This makes it possible
to build everything from cd for your desired target with your own
USE and OPT flags.

achim~

>
> And shouldnt guile be in dev-lang, since it's technically just an
> interpreter, like python or perl?

Yes.

>
>
> Pete

achim~

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Re: [gentoo-dev] dev-utils

[drobbins]

On Wed, Feb 21, 2001 at 08:54:42AM +0100, Achim Gottinger wrote:

> sys-apps will no longer be there once we switched to profiles.
> We used the sys categories only for packages that we used for our
> minimum runtime system.
> All dependencies assume that all sys packages are installed.
> We change this now. I'm currently reworking dependencies so they assume
> all packages from sys-build are installed.
> (bad english).
> There is a list in the cvs tree called current-packages.build. All
> packges required for a minimum build system are
> listed there. (not all are commited, I'm still testing).
> I will upload a build-tarball in the next days.

Achim, I agree with everything you said except for one thing... I think
we should keep the sys-categories, but they should be like any other
category.  There's a definite need for sys-apps, sys-kernel and sys-libs;
however, sys-devel can disappear with no problem.

sys-apps: "system applications and tools (hardware/network configuration, etc.)"
sys-kernel: kernels
sys-libs: essential (or nearly essential) libraries.  glibc would go here, as
	would readline, as I don't see another good place for it.

-- 
Daniel Robbins					<drobbins@gentoo.org>
President/CEO					http://www.gentoo.org 
Gentoo Technologies, Inc.			

Re: [gentoo-dev] dev-utils

[Achim Gottinger]

drobbins@gentoo.org wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Feb 21, 2001 at 08:54:42AM +0100, Achim Gottinger wrote:
> 
> > sys-apps will no longer be there once we switched to profiles.
> > We used the sys categories only for packages that we used for our
> > minimum runtime system.
> > All dependencies assume that all sys packages are installed.
> > We change this now. I'm currently reworking dependencies so they assume
> > all packages from sys-build are installed.
> > (bad english).
> > There is a list in the cvs tree called current-packages.build. All
> > packges required for a minimum build system are
> > listed there. (not all are commited, I'm still testing).
> > I will upload a build-tarball in the next days.
> 
> Achim, I agree with everything you said except for one thing... I think
> we should keep the sys-categories, but they should be like any other
> category.  There's a definite need for sys-apps, sys-kernel and sys-libs;
> however, sys-devel can disappear with no problem.
> 
> sys-apps: "system applications and tools (hardware/network configuration, etc.)"
> sys-kernel: kernels
> sys-libs: essential (or nearly essential) libraries.  glibc would go here, as
>         would readline, as I don't see another good place for it.

True but stuff like gzip/bzip and others can move to other locations.
I personaly think that dev-libs whould be a good place for sys-libs
stuff.

BTW: The next gen gentoo can be readline free if someone really want's
that.
(bash comes with his own readline)

achim~

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Re: [gentoo-dev] dev-utils

[Jerry A!]

On Wed, Feb 21, 2001 at 04:32:46PM +0100, Achim Gottinger wrote:
: True but stuff like gzip/bzip and others can move to other locations.
: I personaly think that dev-libs whould be a good place for sys-libs
: stuff.
: 
: BTW: The next gen gentoo can be readline free if someone really want's
: that.
: (bash comes with his own readline)

Nah, too many other things depend on or are enhanced by libreadline.  We
could start with the core like oh say, python?  8)

Please leave it in.

        --Jerry

name:  Jerry Alexandratos         ||  Open-Source software isn't a
phone: 703.599.6023               ||  matter of life or death...
email: jerry@thehutt.org          ||  ...It's much more important
                                  ||  than that!

Re: [gentoo-dev] dev-utils

[Achim Gottinger]

"Jerry A!" wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Feb 21, 2001 at 04:32:46PM +0100, Achim Gottinger wrote:
> : True but stuff like gzip/bzip and others can move to other locations.
> : I personaly think that dev-libs whould be a good place for sys-libs
> : stuff.
> :
> : BTW: The next gen gentoo can be readline free if someone really want's
> : that.
> : (bash comes with his own readline)
> 
> Nah, too many other things depend on or are enhanced by libreadline.  We
> could start with the core like oh say, python?  8)
> 
> Please leave it in.

It will stay but if you want to enhance an app with readline you must
set
"USE readline".
There will be a default for USE that will shurely include readline.

achim~
> 
>         --Jerry
> 
> name:  Jerry Alexandratos         ||  Open-Source software isn't a
> phone: 703.599.6023               ||  matter of life or death...
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>                                   ||  than that!
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